Auryn/Medinah - 2023 2nd Half General Discussion

No, you’re not making it up. But you certainly accentuate every possible negative you can find. Meanwhile; you consistently sever any positive progress from baldy’s custom horizon. It shouldn’t take long to sort out the GPT discrepancy, for one thing. I don’t know how long it will take them to get this floatation plant up and running, but even Enami will benefit from its completion. And Auryn is already advancing with other mining operations.

Maurizio & the BOD have the perfect vantage point to make these decisions. More mining experts are putting their heads together, and progress is still underway right - this - very - now. Auryn’s horizon is much wider than you’ll admit at this point.

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There isn’t one point in this paragraph that makes any sense to me. How will Enami benefit? The GPT discrepancy has already led to their decision to build a plant. There’s no sorting out to be done. What would you consider to be positive in the company’s latest PR? Yes, they continue to work with some students at the University (Yippee) and now they are going to look to other areas for “mining operations”. Splendid, a rinse and repeat from the last 3 years. Reads to me like AUMC’s horizon just got razor thin. They had a looong time to start generating cash flow and are now stuck with the NEED to build their own plant when they no longer have a market cap to finance the same.

I can’t wait to see the details of a tailings pond at that elevation and seasonal conditions. Good luck getting an environmental permit for a tailings that freezes for half the year. What is the water source by the way? These and many other questions will be addressed over the next 6-12 month permit process.

Unfortunately any discussions on production, price to earnings ratios, and grades will have to take the back seat to financing optiions, dilution, and the logistical viability of a floatation circuit at the top of a mountain.

Not a “dark projection of my negativity” nor a risk to my immune system. Just a fact.

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Been here since 1998.  In no hurry as I'm 92 now and looking forward to my grandchildren benefiting eventually.  Keep bootstrapping.

Wouldn't a stockpile of gold ore worth $25 million after processing be  adequate collateral for a construction loan?

Wouldn't a processing plant be located near the base of the mountain?

oil_guy
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First, I do not have any personal knowledge of mining. I do have a close son of a friend who with his partners started Ero Copper (https://erocopper.com/). Impression after meeting: Marizio has a "parking lot us used mining claims. bought for pennies on the dollar… " What is he doing with his inventory? Can he unload his &%$#* and use the capital to at least basic financing something real on Auryn???
Can any shareholder out there find a list of his holdings? Check it out. I’ve been in this delusional venture of corruption since the very beginning and now the parasite (Les Price ) is gone. Replaced by an “honest” guy who collects cheap failed mining projects. Most of the opinions and chatter on this site have not changed over the decades. Same coin, different side. Bluntly it’s going to take more than nickels and dimes to do anything significant beyoond treading water. Just my opinion and sick of the redundancy of an inch worm. Best regards to the “oil guy” and congrats making it to 92 yrs.

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Of course not. But that’s by choice. Baldy, you tend to roll over any info/discussions that you don’t agree with. You just pretend it’s not there. Especially if it’s mentioned by certain ppl here that you obviously resent for personal reasons.

I guess you have your reasons for being bitter about this investment. I lost money and friends, too. But you seem to sever any info about positive progress from your own version of Auryn’s future horizon.
You know that’s true, so what’s not to understand?

As far as the GPT discrepancies, I noted that they will get accurate GPT values before long. You said it’s because of the GPT descrepancies that Auryn is prioritizing a floatation plant - you said that’s the answer. Ok, If that’s true, it still makes no difference.

I recall when you claimed that ESG was not a factor for Auryn or other small mining operations. But in doing so, you ignored the DD put out by others, just as you ignored some statements made in the updates regarding ESG. You just keep repeating that ESG is nothing important for jr. miners, and pretend that you never saw the info supporting the importance of ESG. You said it would be cost prohibitive, despite recent info & discussions to the contrary. Still, you keep your jaws clenched on denialism.

Baldy, you asked how Enami benefits from Auryn getting the floatation plant going. The updates and other members’ DD point out how Enami could possibly help some new jr miners to get the ore flowing in. This is a normal practice. Enami makes money on the ore coming in. They need Auryn’s business. If an otherwise profitable miner has problems getting enough ore to Enami, then Enami does’t profit much, does it. But, once the floatation plant is in place then Auryn benefits, and so does Enami.

I recall some good discussions about this, too bad you missed them. But baldy, please don’t act like I’m pulling s$#t outta my arse that you just cannot possibly comprehend. I know what I’ve read and what I’ve researched, so please stop the gaslighting. I take the good, the bad & the ugly without that burning desire you seem to have to gaslight others so they can only see things from your perspective. Though I hafta say, baldy … you are a master deflector.

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We’ll, I only have a Fistfull of Dollars left after 15 years.

Jaded.

With all due respect it appears you may have tripped and fallen into a deep well of confusion.

If you can point to the positive developments from the last update it would be helpful for me to better understand where you head is at. However, I think it should be pretty telling that the resident “mining experts” you rely on for your factual information have remained silent. I have no doubt they will eventually chime in but putting a postive spin on the latest developments takes a lot of time and creativity (especially after the BB’s, Easy’s, etc of the world having spent the last three months trying to calculate how much money has already been made and will be made following the August announcment of “commencing production”, again.

You recall correctly. Its not a factor but, to avoid the hassle for debating this point, we no longer need to worry about ESG as AUMC is not and will not be in production for at least another year. Pretty much makes ESG a moot point.

Unfortunately you are confused on what Enami does. As soon as AUMC made the decision to build their own plant, Enami was mostly out of the picture. The floatation circuit produces what is called a metal concentrate (“con”). This Con is sent to a refiner via an offtake agreement. Given Enami’s refining profile they will probably have nothing to do with the process. The majority of their money is made on the smelting side and offtaker not AUMC determines where the con is refined. Not sure how I missed the “good discussion” on this topic but I would encourage you to re-up your research.

Saving the best for last you also don’t seem to understand that the GPT discrepancy at Enami vs. the Peruvian lab (resulting in a $5000 per ton difference) has already been identified and acted upon (with a decision to build a plant instead of accepting lower grades at Enami). I’m sure the GPT will become clearer as things progress but it has no influence on the outcome (unless AUMC changes their plan once again).

However, this is a great topic to focus on for people looking for actual answers (which I don’t have). Keep in mind, AUMC pointed to the refractory nature of the ore in August (something they should have know for years but let’s just assume this is the month they knew). AUMC also knew the grades at Enami and the Peruvian lab in July or August.

If they knew of the refractory nature and the GPT discrepancy in the August update WHY DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO COMMENCE PRODUCTION? The $5,000 delta was just as clear three months ago as it is today.

What happened between August and October that resulted in a radical decision to build their own plant without any shipments to Enami?

I would agree that the GPT discrepancy is significant but there’s NO way you can really have firm data on a few hundred pounds. How could they make such a radical decision based on one miniscule “experimental batch” sent to Enami?? Maybe the next batch would have been higher??

How can AUMC justify abandoning immediate cash flow (even 60gpt material would be highly profitable) in favor of a year of mounting debt and a very difficult financing a year plus away??

Beyond the obvious financial benefits that come with a small scale production while waiting on the plant, there would be enormous benefits that come with better understanding of grades, recoveries etc. with some actual volume of ore being processed. If even AUMC isn’t comfortable with the grades, I can guarantee you nobody is going to lend the company money to build a plant.

Something simply doesn’t add up. Maybe they don’t have confidence in maintaining the grade. Maybe they are concerned that the high grade material is too limited to waste by sending to Enami vs. waiting a year plus for their own plant. I have no idea. However, if I was long this stock I would be making sure that the “mining experts” put down their pens and production spreadsheets, pick up the phone, and get real answers from Management (something they were unwilling to do with the last go around when suspicions of Les started to surface).

It may finally be time for some of theses soothsayers to 1) admit they’ve been wrong 2) understand why the company is going in this direction and 3) determine a realisitc timeline of milestones that need to be met over the next 24 months. Trying to create a positive spin on every development hasn’t worked for the past twenty years and its not going to work for the next two. Time to put down the pom poms and add actual value.

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Only in your mind, baldy. You don’t even know who I was referring to, you just want to assume it’s at least one of the ppl you still hold a personal grudge against. Besides, I said there were several others here who have extensive knowledge of the mountain. And you ignore that I’ve been referring to several talking points from Updates, previous posts and other DD. Often when others have good discussions or good info to share, you either ignore them or you insult them. So why would anyone want to post anything now knowing that you’re main goal is to put them down so to make yourself feel more important. It’s not about discussing this investment with you, baldy. Unfortunately, you’d rather make it about yourself, instead.

You said: “With all due respect…” Respect, my arse :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :boom:
Just because I don’t know all the details or have indepth knowledge of the mining industry does not mean I am “confused” by any stretch of your imagination. Perhaps YOU got dizzy and fell into that “deep well of confusion” after staring at your own reflection for too long.

Baldy, I may not know why you present a list of all your own quotes, but I do know that you are not the master spokesperson for everything Auryn. You’re still in denial that there are several others here who might know something about Auryn that you do not. I’m fully aware that you know a great deal about the mining industry, but that doesn’t mean that you alone have the answers. And you certainly don’t know more than Maurizio. You want us to believe that everyone else is wrong except for you.

By the way, it’s nice that you have all your own quotes on speed dial like that, such efficiency! I refer back to what I’ve been saying all along: We have more positive info about this investment than ever before. Auryn is mostly de-risked now. Is this a disappointing turn of events? Sure it is. Are there more unanswered questions? Yes, there are. But you automatically expect the worst & negate the positive. Talk about putting a spin on things, sheesh! Could this be the end of Auryn and our investment as you seem to suggest? Don’t bet on it. The glass is still half full.

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Those aren’t my quotes, those are bullet points on questions that I suggest should be asked. You really are confused

You really don’t get it. Claims that AUMC has been derisked in an “ideal approach” non-dilutive approach was built on the assumption that the company was entering production. Without production the risk profile is massive: a money losing project, lacking a defined resource, in a crappy precious metals market which needs to land a large financing package to enter production is the defintion of high risk.

Predicting the worst based on my analysis of developments on the ground has been a winning strategy for the better part of eight years. I’m still waiting on you to provide the positive. This is way beyond a grudge but if keeping in personal helps you justify a .0008, “half glass full” mindset, go for it.

I do believe there are several, less vocal participants on this board who offer valuable insight. This post from CHG from early July will turn out to be prescient. I believe the latest update answered several of the questions in his post.

I don’t expect you to understand his points but for those trying to connect the dots without blinded optimism, the recent turn of unfortunate events are not entirely suprising.

Enjoy your evening

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Baldy, Why don’t you jo
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know you want too?

Why do some folks push for stacking physical PM these days? Is anyone here building up a cash reserve or putting money in a savings account? What is the global economic future look like and how do the BRICS countries fit into the picture with the petrodollar? It is clear to me there is a great deal of uncertainty in the markets while the expectation of a possible recession takes shape over the next several quarters or year. Will the prices of gold move considerably higher by this time next year? Many think it will, including me. What considerations are part of derisking developmental mining projects? One that comes to mind is the cost of transporting ore, or concentrate, to a refiner. Certainly debulking the amount to be transported will be part of the overall consideration, especially when the present cost of road maintenance and making road improvements to handle a larger loads are figured in. Once concentrated however, the need for additional trucks and fuel will be reduced. I expect most here understand the dynamic nature of long term planning engaged by our management team that takes into consideration many factors not readily visible to newer investors. This is a primary consideration for not engaging in promotional activities at this time as they would not be fruitful in the present investment environment. Surely most everyone here remembers this statement; “Based on the results of the study, we can make informed decisions regarding the most efficient and profitable method of gold recovery and concentrate production.“

Is anyone here betting that the cost of oil/fuel (hauling ore/concentrate cost) will not increase over the present supply and price? Will POG be much higher a year from now if the expectation of a commodity Bull takes hold with the global inflation problem expanding? Where does having the best method of onsite beneficiation fit in?

Flotation for Future Challenges

What this article has shown is that flotation, as a technology, is not going anywhere. In fact, rather than being a limiting aspect of future flowsheets, one that could potentially be phased out over time, it’s going in quite the opposite direction.

Novel flotation technologies applied in new ways throughout flowsheets will prove invaluable in enabling ESG-conscious mining companies to meet future market demands while minding their resource consumption.

“Flotation is going to be with us for some time,” Donnini said. “So, we need to develop our understanding and get smarter at designing and operating these technologies.” (Flotation: The Past, Present and Future of Mineral Processing? | E & MJ)

While we shareholders see what challenges management is facing, does chasing after new investors by management make any sense at the present time? I see many mining explorers not being rewarded in this market. Many have been greatly undervalued to their share prices and market value compared to several years ago. After expending many cash reserves and increasing their proven reserves in the ground this is certainly disappointing for these companies. My bet is these same mining companies will be rewarded when the commodity Bull takes off in earnest over the next several years. Why would a non-shareholder be so invested in tearing down efforts of this company? It surely isn’t professional ethics at play. We all remember when this same non-shareholder mentioned: “FWIW. A floatation circuit will cost ~$10M. I’m involved with a company who’s in the process of building one in Peru as we speak.” He failed to mention the name of the company building the flotation circuit or naming the specific Peruvian company. Shareholders here I’m sure would have been thankful to be able to research such information. I’m an optimist. Perhaps that specific information was shared with management and helped them reach their current decision to move forward with onsite milling. I recall as far back as 2016 this was mentioned by WIZ as being a strong desire of management.

Admittedly, this same non-shareholder, Baldy, is very knowledgeable and has been helpful in letting current shareholders know why patience is needed more than ever at this present time. We don’t know who will be purchasing the resulting concentrate, or how far it will need to be transported. The necessary permitting and appropriate design of the flotation circuit suited to the ore’s geochemistry will take perhaps another year. Extensive road maintenance and expansion can be delayed while everything is prepared and extracted ore stockpiled. Ore above ground will provide mill feed and tonnage reduction to be figured out. Value and break-even analysis will be managed. It is true that given the current deteriorating market conditions, and the fact that private companies are facing difficulties also, equity financing will probably not be accomplished quickly.

In March of this year, AUMC management announced the appointment of two highly accomplished individuals to its Board of Directors, Isac Burstein and Mark Dingley both of whom will be relied upon to make the best of our future endeavors. While the overall mining industry is facing depressed prices, I think it wise to stop magnifying as many negatives as possible. As a shareholder I concentrate on more of the derisking and positives taking place while management and the BOD plan for future success.

EZ

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Bingo. I’ve always appreciated CHG’s posts. I’m just surprised you used his post as some kind of gotcha! against me. But Baldy, It appears you are the one who is confused.

Do you know how cornuskergold expresses his concerns regarding the hurdles at hand? CHG has always presented his concerns without insulting other members here, not as far as I’ve ever seen. He highlighted some of the positives of our investment. (imagine that!) I like the way he itemized the Pros/Cons of what the company might possibly do at any given time. He expounds on both sides of the situation. He even covers the ‘why’ in fair detail. CHG does this accurately without making solid claims to the benefit of one side or another. He understands how most situations are rarely described in just black or white terms.

What cornhuskergold did not do? He didn’t beat his chest as if he, and only he, knows what will transpire from here. He doesn’t insult other members, nor does he throw insults at management in nearly every post. He is logical and non-combative and open to other viewpoints. CHG doesn’t announce a matter-of-fact doomsday scenario as factual. Nor does he ignore other members with opinions that might differ from his; or wave them off as idiots forever thereafter.

Sorry baldy, but that’s been my point all along. You’ve missed some of the dots yourself. Simply put, you are the one who is still confused about how to present your expert opinions in a civil manner, and without disrespecting others. That’s the gist of what I’ve been trying to say to you all along, but you waved that off, deflected and then tried to scatter what has already been said on the subject. I’ve never known CHG to beat his chest, gaslight others here & then declare he’s King Kong up in this place.

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Jaded. I think you may be confusing “TheMiningPlay” for a dating app. If you so desperately need some hand holding I urge you to find another “internet community” that can buy you virtual flowers and chocalates.

It should be clear that I’m not trying to win any style points in presenting my points of view. This is supposed to be a message board focused on debating the merits of an investment and developements on the ground. If anyone here is so insecure that they are “offended” by my posts they probably don’t have the stomach to be invested in a .0008 penny stock.

Additionally, if you think I have any ego invested here that truley is insulting. I could give a rat’s arss on who get’s points for being right or wrong. I’ll never meet anyone on this board (again), there will be no more conferences in Vegas.

My only objective here is to ask tough questions with the hope of generating constructive debate with the ultimate goal of better understanding this investment.

Unfortunately, the posts from the likes of CHG are very rare and mostly diluted by a handful of investors in “perpetual production party mode”. Never right, Never admitting they are wrong. Never adjusting their enthusiasm.

By way of example, it reads like Easy is making the pivot that not shipping ore to Enami is the right call b/c stockpiling ore in anticipation of gold rallying into the future is the better call. This pivot is beyond laughable but, instead of looking for real answers for the company’s radical shift in direction, he provided a bull thesis for gold. I belive we all think gold is going higher but AUMC does NOT have the luxury of stacking its ore. Even Newmont doesn’t have the luxury of stacking ore. Instead of facing the music, swallowing their pride following 3 months of ridiculously inaccurate posting, we get a post like yesterday. Zero value.

I’m sure BB’s will be equally illuminating. Unfortunte but expected.

Jaded as it relates to our fascinating dialogue I will do the board (and myself) the favor of entering a “cease and desist” with you going forwarded. You do you. Seems to be working great so far.

When I first read the newest update from Auryn dated 10/9/23, it became obvious that the contents would divide the shareholders into 3 camps. Those actively working at convincing existing shareholders to sell their shares in order to create a low-risk entry point for themselves, as well as those already convinced of pending doom and gloom and already frustrated out of their mind by the perception that the contents of this update might lead to further delays and impending dilution, are going to have a field day criticizing management. Those whose dream has been to be a charter member of a producing mining firm committed to being VERTICALLY INTEGRATED and doing their own extremely high-grade ore processing and beneficiation/concentration on-site, will think that they just won the lottery. The 3rd group doesn’t know what to think or who to believe. They’re just tired and confused.

After reading this newest update dated Oct. 9, 2023, the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM clearly remains the GRADES at level 3 of the new mine. Once again, the average GRADE of gold being mined worldwide today is 1 gpt in open pit operations. These miners are currently making good money. The average grade being mined worldwide in underground vein mining operations, like that at the DL2 Vein, is 4.18 gpt gold. These miners are also making good money at today’s gold prices. These average grades being mined are dropping by 6% per year because of the lack of new discoveries and the fact that miners, with a choice, tend to mine the highest-grade ore first and leave the lesser grade ore for later i.e. “high-grading”. Well, now is later for them.

THE NEW WORSE CASE SCENARIO-AURYN MAKES A FORTUNE SELLING 70 GPT “GOLD EQUIVALENT” ORE TO ENAMI WHILE HAVING ONLY 70 MILLION SHARES OUTSTANDING

I think that most observers might find that to be a pretty impressive WORSE CASE SCENARIO. I was blown away when I originally read that Enami’s DIRECT SMELTING test of the DL2 Vein ore came in at 57 gpt gold, 970 gpt silver and 3.3% copper AFTER ENAMI TOOK OUT THEIR FEES. This is referred to as an “agreed to” or “settlement” grade. This represents a “gold equivalent” grade of about 70 gpt when you factor in the contributions from the silver and the copper. Do yourself a favor and discard the 57 gpt figure and insert the 70 gpt “gold equivalent” grade. The smelting process is able to recover the silver and the copper so these are legitimate “by-product credits”.

Comparing 70 gpt gold ore to 1 gpt (a multiple of 70) or 4 gpt gold ore (a multiple of 17) is not much of a comparison. Auryn could obviously make some VERY HANDSOME PROFITS from shipping this high-grade ore directly to the Codelco/Enami smelting facility. THIS NOW BECOMES THE WORSE CASE SCENARIO-BIG PROFITS WITH A TINY NUMBER OF SHARES OUTSTANDING WITH PLENTY OF SCALABILITY PRESENT DUE TO THE NEW VENTILATION SYSTEM AND THE ABILITY TO MINE SEVERAL SUB LEVELS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

This is the scenario if Auryn chose to get screwed by Enami’s fee structure and let Enami do all of the ore processing. It remains a very desirable OPTION. Having this OPTION, rules out the need for management to EVER sell shares at ridiculously low-price levels in order to fund developments. That possibility is officially off the table. The new BOD would have never passed this CORPORATE RESOLUTION in a unanimous fashion if it were a possibility.

Now, I read that independent smelting tests done in a Peruvian lab came in at 128 gpt gold WITHOUT ANY FEES BEING DEDUCTED. We weren’t given a “gold equivalent” grade from this testing but it should come in at about 157 gpt “gold equivalent” based on the Enami smelter silver and copper figures. Again, uncomplicate things and do yourself a favor. The numbers to study are a 70 gpt “gold equivalent” figure AFTER ENAMI TOOK OUT THEIR FEES and a 157 gpt “gold equivalent” figure WITHOUT ANY FEES BEING SUBTRACTED BY AN ENAMI-TYPE PROCESSOR. Enami is famous for providing low-cost loans to young producers like Auryn wishing to build their own processing facilities. It sounds counterintuitive, but part of Enami’s job is to attract miners and their investment capital, to Chile. Enami bankrolled the artisanal miners of the DL2 Vein. Enami evolved from the “CCM” (Credito Casa de Minera) which was a bank that loaned funds to Chilean miners. I have no idea if there is any deal from Enami currently on the table, or if there is some kind of chess game going on behind the scenes where posturing is involved.

I assume that the 157 gpt smelting results was part of the 120 Kg (264 pounds) sample sent to the Plenge Laboratory in Lima taken from the intersection site of the Antonino Adit and the DL2 Vein at “level 3”. The Plenge Lab is the one that determined that “flotation” was the beneficiation methodology resulting in the highest recovery of the sought-after metals for the DL2 ore. Almost all “sulphide” ores are considered “refractory” and need “flotation” to remove unwanted sulphides, like arsenopyrite. “Oxide” ores, found closer to surface, on the other hand, are easier to process. These are more likely to be “free milling”. Most mines are mining “sulphide ore”. A lot of the “oxide” ore on the planet has already been mined and is now gone.

So, the base case scenario here is that Auryn would make very handsome profits by sending their high-grade ore to Codelco/Enami’s direct smelting facility BUT THE BAD NEWS, IF YOU COULD CALL IT THAT, IS THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE A FORTUNE ON THE TABLE IF THEY SO CHOSE, ABOUT $5,000 PER TONNE, IF THEY WERE TO USE ENAMI INSTEAD OF DOING THE PROCESSING ON-SITE.

In the most recent update, management referred to this $5,000 figure as a “direct financial impact” from allowing Enami to do the processing. Yet using Enami, still presents a very desirable OPTION to Auryn. But it’s more than an OPTION. The Auryn BOD has already made a UNANIMOUS decision to “take control of our ore processing” and bypass Enami. Are they bluffing, who knows? By way of review, here are some snip-its from the curriculum vitaes of the 2 new BOD members, Isac Burstein and Mark Dingley:
“Isac has been involved in four discoveries that became operating mines, over 60 deals from asset sales, JVs, earn-ins, private placements, royalty sales, etc. His skills include negotiating and structuring deals, financial modeling and valuation, and technical due diligence. Isac holds a BSc in Geological Engineering from the Universidad Nacional de Ingenieria in Peru, an MSc from the University of Missouri, and an MBA from Purdue University.” [I think you can see why somebody with Isac’s credentials was brought in when he was.]

Mark is an associate member of the International Bar Association. He holds a Law degree (LLB) and an Economics Master’s degree from Canterbury, an MBA from Harvard Business School, and a PhD in Applied Economics from Wharton Business School. [The same applies to Mark.]

As BOD members with a long list of fiduciary duties owing to shareholders, what would they have carefully reviewed prior to coming to this UNANIMOUS decision? Obviously, they would have reviewed the COST OF CAPITAL and the various financing options on the table. They would have carefully reviewed any untoward side effects from dilution as well as how to take advantage of the vast amount of LEVERAGE ($5,000 per tonne) present.

One thing to keep in mind here has to do with Maurizio’s willingness to advance all of the cash needed to put the project into production while charging zero interest. As of the most recent financials (Q-2, 2023), Auryn owed him about $4.6 million. He has agreed not to take a penny back until the project was in production and the profits could provide his repayment. This recent decision means that Maurizio is basically saying to the company, don’t pay me back now, I am willing to wait until the big profits are being realized.

If you look upon this in terms of the ore currently being stockpiled, Maurizio is essentially saying in a metaphorical sense, pay me back with perhaps 3 piles of stockpiled ore later on, instead of 6 piles today. As a shareholder, I can easily live with that. Remember, there is no interest rate clock ticking. Maurizio’s family is missing out on the interest that this money could have been earning for all of these years (OPPORTUNITY COST).

I’ve seen the critiques made by posters on THEMININGPLAY investment forum. Let’s be objective for a moment. These guys are experienced mining people that have done many, many dozens of mining transactions. They have full visibility of the playing field and all of the pros and cons involved in making any decision. This is what they do all day long. We forum participants are looking through a tiny crack through the door leading to the playing field. We don’t make these decisions all day long. We have no clue as to what is going on in regards to the playing field. We are extremely frustrated by the share price and venting that frustration by searching for somebody to blame is natural for some. Putting others down in order to make oneself seem taller is what some people choose to do even if they know that their view and their experiences in this particular type of situattion is limited.

Management commented that it was the COMBINATION of flotation being the preferred beneficiation methodology for the ore in conjunction with the vastly disparate smelting results (70 gpt “gold equivalent” from Enami AFTER THEY TOOK OUT THEIR FEES versus 157 gpt “gold equivalent” from the Peruvian Lab) that made Auryn’s building of their own flotation plant the UNANIMOUS decision of the BOD.

The combined “FINANCIAL IMPACT”, in regards to this “option”, came in at a whopping $5,000 per tonne DIFFERENTIAL. This is OVER AND ABOVE the handsome profits that Auryn would make in shipping their unprocessed ore to the Codelco/Enami smelter i.e. the worse case scenario. However, you still need to factor in the CAPEX involved in constructing the processing facilities, as well as the OPEX (operating expenses) and you need to amortize that over the life expectancy of the processing plant.

HOW DOES THE MATH WORK WITH THIS $5,000 FIGURE?

The price of gold is currently about $1,927 per Troy ounce. Since there are 31.1 grams of gold in one Troy ounce of gold, this means that one gram of gold is worth about $61.96. The difference between a “gold equivalent” grade of 157 gpt versus 70 gpt is 87 gpt. When you multiply this 87 gpt DIFFERENTIAL by $61.96 you get a DELTA/DIFFERENTIAL of $5,390 PER TONNE OF ORE. To that figure you need to ADD the TRANSPORTATION COST per tonne of ore shipped savings associated with each truckload of CONCENTRATED ORE holding that many more ounces of gold. From this TOTAL DIFFERENTIAL you then need to subtract the amortized CAPEX and OPEX costs associated with building and operating the new plant.

In order to provide some context, an underground miner mining the worldwide average of 4 gpt gold, will receive about $220 per tonne IN TOTAL from Enami, after Enami takes out their fees. This $5,000 figure refers to the DIFFERENTIAL, OVER AND ABOVE what Enami would pay for 1 tonne of Auryn’s extremely high-grade (70 gpt “gold equivalent” post-smelting) ore. Note that this new 157 gpt gold post-smelting figure, represents YET ANOTHER DATA POINT, signifying the INSANELY HIGH grades of the DL2 Vein in the vicinity of where Auryn is currently mining. Previous sampling at the intersection of the Antonino Adit and the DL2 Vein came in at 164 gpt gold and 4.5% copper in one grouping and 150 gpt gold in another. These Peruvian smelter results shouldn’t be all that surprising. Recall that the historical grades achieved by the artisanal miners of the DL2 Vein averaged 64 gpt gold AFTER ENAMI TOOK OUT THEIR POUND OF FLESH.

HERE’S THE CATCH IN THE CASE OF THE ALREADY FRUSTRATED AURYN/MEDINAH SHAREHOLDERS

Frustrated shareholders had their heart set on some IMMEDIATE CASH FLOW coming out of the DL2 Vein project. The last thing an already frustrated shareholder that has already experienced seemingly endless delays, wants to hear about is a DELAY in realizing that CASH FLOW. But is there such a thing as a “great news” delay? I guess that depends on your level of frustration and your ability to perceive progress towards a goal i.e. that of building a mining company capable of making an absolute ton of money ONCE PRODUCTION COMMENCES IN EARNEST, WHETHER IT BE PRODUCTION THAT LEADS TO HANDSOME PROFITS USING ENAMI, OR GIGANTIC PROFITS FROM PROCESSING THE ORE ON-SITE.

Those opting to be a naysayer are obviously going to say: “Management led us to believe that we would be in profitable production by “X” date. Recall from history, that management said that we feel that we can be producing at a 40 tpd pace soon, just from the “old works” at levels 0,1, and 2. Later, they cited that they can’t meet that 40 tpd pace until AFTER the Antonino Adit intersects the DL2 Vein and we can open up production from the 2 new working faces that this intersection made available. After the intersection, management cited that they would first construct the new “gallery” and then the new “ventilation/safety egress chimney”.

As management was progressing with the drifting of the Antonino Adit, they told shareholders that soon we hope to be making regular shipments to Enami i.e. AFTER THE INTERSECTION WAS MADE WITH THE DL2 VEIN AND AFTER THE “GALLERY” AND THE “VENTILATION/SAFETY EGRESS CHIMNEY” WAS COMPLETED. The assumption here was that the path of the vein downwards would match the downward “dip” angle it showed near surface. Near surface, the vein was “dipping” downwards to the NE at a 45-degree angle and the vein should have been intercepted early on.

As it turns out, Mother Nature had a different plan. The course of the vein steepened up and it starting diving straight downwards i.e. at a 90-degree “dip” from the surface. The intersection, and therefore the construction of the “gallery” and the new “ventilation/safety egress chimney” came much later than anticipated. So too did the commencement of the “regular shipments to Enami” projected by management prior to their learning of the change in the “dip” of the vein.

Management didn’t help their cause much when on 3 different occasions they cited that they just hit a mineralized vein that visually looks just like the DL2 Vein and that they sent samples to the lab to make sure the “DNA” matched. Three times in a row, after management cited that they are almost positive that they finally, after all of these delays due to the changed “dip”, intersected the DL2 Vein, the lab results didn’t match. Then on Dec. 23, 2022, they got a “DNA” match on the thin branch of the DL Vein, the DL1 Vein. On January 4, 2023, they got a “DNA” match on the extremely high-grade DL2 Vein. The first 2 groups of samplings at the intersection site were, as expected, off the charts.

Now, after all of this, fast forward to Oct. 9, 2023. When management stated that the ECONOMICS of producing from the DL2 Vein and shipping the ore to Enami, will indeed lead to very handsome profits, however, the profits are going to be through the roof if we stockpile the EXTREMELY HIGH-GRADE ore we are currently mining (157 gpt “gold equivalent as determined by an independent smelter in Peru) and process it on-site with our own processing facilities once completed.

As noted, the DIFFERENTIAL between stockpiling now and processing the ore on-site prior to shipping, would amount to an off the chart $5,000 per tonne BONUS. For somebody with the patience of Job, like myself, who has been through many delays in this industry (admittedly not this bad), it was the most encouraging update I’ve ever seen by Auryn. For somebody already frustrated beyond belief, not so much. THE CURRENT FRUSTRATION LEVELS ARE 100% UNDERSTANDABLE. RECALL THE CORPORATE GOVERNANC MISCUES OF A PREVIOUS MEDINAH MANAGEMENT TEAM MEMBER.

Let’s look at management’s, and the BOD’s point of view. Do they cater to the desires of frustrated shareholders and take $5,000 less for every single tonne shipped, and make a handsome profit in the process or do you temporarily stockpile this extremely high-grade ore and build the plant in order to rake in a mega-fortune FOR DECADES after the plant is completed and commissioned? Is there a right or a wrong answer to this dilemma?

WHAT DOES AN “EXTRA” $5,000 PER TONNE LOOK LIKE IN A MINING OPERATION LIKE THIS?

Management has been kicking around an INITIAL PRODUCTION RATE of 40 tonnes per day (“40 tpd”) for quite some time. This “$5,000 DIFFERENTIAL”, all of a sudden, becomes $200,000 PER DAY even with a de minimis INITIAL PRODUCTION RATE of only 40 tpd. Don’t forget that you need to amortize the CAPEX cost over the life of the processing facility. There will also be OPERATING EXPENSES (“OPEX”) to consider. This would include the purchase of things like reagents for the flotation facility. The COST OF CAPITAL also needs to be factored in.

LET’S DO SOME EXTREMELY ROUGH MATH

If the daily “DELTA/DIFFERENTIAL” between these 2 options is $200,000 per day for a 40 tpd operation ($5,000 per tonne times 40 tpd), then a $10 million facility is going to ROUGHLY take 50 days to pay off the CAPEX portion. I’m not including the savings in regards to the TRANSPORTATION COSTS which will probably more than offset the OPEX costs. Likewise, a $20 million facility might take 100 days to pay off. If Auryn, in the future, is simultaneously producing from 5 separate levels, then this $200,000 per day DIFFERENTIAL becomes $1 million per day. That seems like a lot of money UNTIL YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH HIGHER THE GRADES ARE IN COMPARISON TO THAT BEING MINED BY THE AVERAGE UNDERGROUND VEIN MINER.

What are the ingredients needed for Auryn to completely knock the ball out of the ballpark? As the saying goes in the mining industry, “GRADE IS EVERYTHING”. That’s #1. You also need SCALABILITY. This is #2. The new ventilation/safety egress chimney provided that in spades. Auryn can now simultaneously mine level 3 as well as several of the sub levels. Ramping up production should be very predictable. Factor #3 is a tiny number of shares outstanding. SHAREHOLDER REWARDS will be based on EARNINGS PER SHARE. Even with moderate earnings, a tiny number of shares outstanding will “supercharge” the EPS ratio. Share prices are determined by the EPS multiplied by an industry standard “multiple”. In the mining industry it averages a little bit over 30-times.

IS THERE AN IN BETWEEN SOLUTION THAT MIGHT APPEASE ALL PARTIES?

How about if management were to promise to keep the shareholders informed about the grades and tonnage of the ore being stockpiled? The shareholders would be able to do the math on the approximate value of the ore to be shipped later after that $5,000 per tonne BONUS was cashed in on. I think shareholders and prospective investors should be able to appreciate the 2 OPTIONS involved and how there really isn’t a bad choice but the necessity to make a choice.

A potential investor in the facilities being constructed would have the ability to appreciate the circumstances. Attracting willing investors that understand the “DELTA/DIFFERENTIAL” involved shouldn’t be that difficult to do. Because of this unique “DIFFERENTIAL”, the very money being loaned is going to all but guarantee a low risk attached speedy payback. A pathway to being repaid should not be that tough to visualize in a scenario like this for a professional investor. If the price of the metals being harvested should break out to the upside, then management could always opt to liquidate some of the stockpiled ore if they feared a retracement in the price of the metals.

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Great post Doc. Thank you. If what you are saying has validity, the above suggestion would be a wonderful idea. I’m not sure how you can accurately assign value to stockpiles that have not been assayed but they can accurately quote us the tonnage and estimate a value of the ever increasing stockpile even usi g the most conservative of grade levels.

The cost of capital should not be that high if that stockpile continues to serve as collateral to the financiers. It would be nice to hear management speak to the current value of the stockpile and the amount anticpated over x period of time as the flotation plant plans are being developed.

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Great post Doc!

This is a line from the update that really opened my eyes for Quarter 4 objectives. Doc what area do you think they are talking about? Caren Larissa?

Additionally, we are gearing up to explore and prepare other promising areas on our site.

My Thoughts

If MC didn’t feel this was going to make him money and now open another area up for exploration he would’ve shut this whole operation down by now. He’s got to be in around 5 million dollars now.

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I will post this for you. Big move on Gold today 60.00+ and counting. Maybe now everyone will realize that the world is in the shitter big time.

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I guess I struck a nerve in you, John. Snapping back at me & changing the dialog is something you are very good at. You conveniently forget that I told you the negative info you highlight isn’t what bothers me, it’s how you focus on ONLY the negative … and, of course, your awful delivery. Nobody is trying to deny your recap of disappointments & setbacks (that you describe with 20/20 hindsight). Incidentally, that IS an odd thing for an AUMC non-shareholder to be so forcefully focused on.

So, you think you’re doing a service for shareholders? You’re just asking “tough questions” to generate debate for a better understanding of this investment? Baldy, that would be great if that’s what you actually do. But you don’t ask any questions, you just present your own opinions as if they are hard core facts and belittle anyone with other opinions. Your posts often reveal a clear goal to berate other members who look at the whole picture instead. No civil debate or mutual understanding - that’s just not your cup of tea. You expect everyone to see it YOUR way. Usually, you paint AUMC as a failure and insist MC & BOD are idiots, as if you know more than they do.

Baldy, If you truly believe this statement, all in your own words, then why are you so offended when other members mention anything positive about this investment? Did you forget that message boards allow for ALL VIEWPOINTS, not just Baldy’s? And that “…debating the merits of an investment” goes both ways? Perhaps you just don’t have the stomach for risky investments, and that just adds to your insecurities about owning any shares.

In your view, nobody should dare speak about any positive developments regarding AUMC’s current status. When they do, that’s when you try to discredit and humiliate them — you attack their personal character and interject wild accusations, quite like your latest post. If someone calls you out on something, you reply with a scrambled and convoluted version of the discussion in a fascinating display of denial & projection.

Baldy, you are assuming some alternate reality to hide behind in our last several exchanges. You’ve twisted my words around and then even added a few that were never there. No, I am not ‘offended’ by your negative rhetoric. I’m just informing you how nice it could be if you presented your negative opinions the way cornhustkergold does in the example you admire so much. If you admire his post, then you should have no problem being organized and objective covering the good with the bad. And how about sharing your opinions without trying to gaslight or humiliate anyone who disagrees with you. CHG posts the good, bad & ugly together and doesn’t attack others who might disagree.

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Wow .I have to admit that even I am impressed with the positive spin you have been able to construct given the circumstances. I knew it would take a few days a a lot of creativity but it was worth the wait. It really is amazing how much information and calculatiions and predictions you can generate based on a 270lb sample. The literal equivalent of relying on a pebble in a beach for both you and presumably the AUMC board to determine that Enami wasn’t a viable altnerative. Not the worst case option but just not an option being considered (as clearly stated in the press release).

If one assumes that AUMC has lined up attractive, non dilutive financing to build a plant they could agree that this isn’t a horribel outcome but it still makes zero sense to not pursue incremental cash flow over the 12-18 month winbdow to build the plant. However, making that assumption means you believe that any potential financier would be willing to lend 10’s of million of dollars based on a 300lb sample and historical results. I would encourage invetors to canvas this subject with knowledable mining experts/investors/participants to get an outside opinion. I can pretty much guarantee their response, once they have stopped laughing.

I go back to my previous posed questions and encourage investors here, which clearly I am not, to demand real answers. The alternative will be the same optimistic rubberish and attempts to “pollish a turd” by the folks who got you in the mess in the first place.

If AUMC is willing to address these pretty obvious, reasonable questions investors will be in a consideably better position to understand what they own.

Good luck!

Hi Done Deal,

In regards to your question about what I thought management was referring to in the last update when they stated: “Additionally, we are gearing up to explore and prepare other promising areas on our site.” Let’s call that statement #1needing explaining.

Statement #2 (also from the 10/9/23 update) might be:” Management is also actively engaged in discussions and presentations with potential investors for financing the construction of a milling facility. This effort reflects our commitment to leveraging all available resources to optimize the value of our mining operations.”

Statement #3 (from the update dated 8/10/23) was: “Following our recent metallurgical insights from the Peruvian laboratory and our inaugural mineral consignment to ENAMI, we’re evaluating the potential for a dedicated mineral flotation plant. This initiative aims to amplify our production in Altos de Lipangue and expand into other lucrative sectors of the mining district.”

DISCUSSION

Statement #1 was similar to #3. #1 said “prepare other areas on our site” (for production). #3 referred to Auryn’s new “dedicated flotation plant” would “increase production at the ADL” (because a higher grade “flotation concentrate” would be shipped) BUT THEN THEY REFERRED TO THIS NEW FLOTATION PLANT ALLOWING THEM TO EXPAND INTO OTHER LUCRATIVE SECTORS OF THE ADL.

It sounds to me, that the plan is to aim the production from these new “lucrative sectors” (which I assume translates into high-grade ore) to that same flotation plant.

Statement #2 refers to management meeting with prospective investors interested in financing the flotation plant BUT THEN IT CITES THAT THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE ALSO PART OF THE COMMITMENT TO “LEVERAGE ALL AVAILABLE RESOURCES TO OPTIMIZE THE VALUE OF OUR MINING OPERATIONS”.

So, what are Auryn’s “AVAILABLE RESOURCES” that they are trying to “leverage”. They have 5 other Main Veins, the Pegaso Nero which is a cu-mo porphyry prospect, the LDM stratabound copper-gold prospect, lots of breccias, skarns, mantos, etc. To me, it sounds like “THESE NEGOTIATIONS” involve Auryn leveraging one of their other assets in order to get the flotation plant built. I like that idea, if it is accurate, a lot.

I could easily see a potential partner getting a piece of the action on one of the other assets, in exchange for building the flotation plant which they would also share the use of. Recall in statement #3: THEY REFERRED TO THIS NEW FLOTATION PLANT ALLOWING THEM TO EXPAND INTO OTHER LUCRATIVE SECTORS OF THE ADL.” Maybe one of these other “lucrative sectors” is the PN, the LDM, another vein, etc. Auryn might get a flotation plant built and then perhaps get an NSR on one of these other “lucrative sectors”.

I’ve always thought that Auryn has TOO MANY ASSETS THAT ARE NOT LIKELY TO BE MONETIZED QUICKLY UNLESS AURYN REACHES OUT TO OTHERS FOR HELP. Let’s go back to the GEOLOGY. An underlying magma chamber periodically had pressure build ups that breached the roof/carapace and sent gold-bearing fluids up through the various layers of rocks. These fluids later cooled and became veins, skarns, porphyries, breccias, mantos, etc.

If the grades found in BOTH the DL2 Vein and the Merlin 1 Vein (Larrissa Adit) have already proven to be through the roof, isn’t it likely that these other deposit types also have high grades? Of the 6 Main Veins, the Merlin 1 is way to the west and the DL2 Vein is well to the east. Is it not likely that the various Main Veins in between the 2 have similar grades? The Auryn geoscientists have already told us that all of these veins are INTERCONNECTED AND MAKE UP A “VEIN SET”.

Recall that the exhaustive surface trenching program by Auryn identified over 5,000-meters of gold-bearing veins that made it all of the way to surface. Recall also that during the drifting of the Antonino Adit, Auryn encountered another 24 mineralized “veins/structures” probably only 1 of which, the “Fortuna Este” made it all of the way to surface. Do you recall how Auryn ran into a couple of hundred meters of solid “alteration” on their way to intersecting the DL2 Vein. Porphyries have gigantic “halos” of alteration surrounding them.

If there is some serious deal cutting going on in the background, wouldn’t that explain the timing for bringing on the 2 new deal cutters with impeccable credentials? Why bring them in before they have anything to do?

In the “LONG TERM VISION” section of the most recent update management cited: “Our long-term goal is to transition the Lipangue project from exploration to FULL-SCALE PRODUCTION (my emphasis). The cash flow generated will not only fuel further exploration but will also enable us to RETURN VALUE TO OUR SHAREHOLDERS (my emphasis), reinforcing our commitment to stakeholder profitability.”

By “full-scale production”, I think management is referring to many of these “lucrative sectors” being put into simultaneous production and providing “feed” to the flotation plant and mill facilities Auryn is going to construct.

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