Auryn/Medinah - 2020 - 1st Half General Discussion

Hi mrb,

I did a chapter on Medinah recently called “Stink bids and the ‘if….then approach’”. Stink bids are basically good til cancel buy orders that last for 60 days. You place them well under the current highest bid and hope for the best.

What convinced me to use these is what happened on Nov. 1 of 2019 to the Medinah market. The market was creating a nice bottoming formation at the time at about $0.0016 and all of a sudden on a Friday afternoon (when many were heading out of town) with 5 minutes to go in the trading day somebody dumped 26 million shares and took out bid after bid all of the way down to the $0.0005 level. My “stink bid” got about one-third of these shares unbeknownst to me until a day or two later.

Clearly the seller did not care at all at what he got for his shares. I sense that this was a forced “sell out” by a broker/dealer but I have no proof of that. The recent month end might have something to do with it. When these occur, typically the market would migrate back to the $0.0016 level after a day or two. This did not occur in Medinah’s case. Instead the $0.0005 to $0.0006 level became the new norm. There was zero resilience in the market as if it was in a coma and in a sense it is. The participation level on this forum has pretty much fallen out of bed. Except for a handful of us nobody is currently watching. “Stink bids” are good for busy people that can’t be glued to a computer screen all day long.

The ”if….then approach” is Medinah specific. For me, the safest bet on the planet right now is that gold is going much higher. So where can I get the most bang for the buck? The new gold producers fetch a higher EPS multiple than the majors because they are the only ones that can create truly dynamic growth profiles. Maurizio hinted at this phenomenon back at the informational meeting in Las Vegas. At one moment he was projecting an initial level of 25,000 ounces of gold production. Minutes later he was talking about becoming a “mid-sized gold producer” in the not too distant future. The concept has to do with the ability to generate a low “PEG” ratio. This is the price earnings multiple divided by the growth rate. If an early producer can fetch an EPS of 30 times earnings and if it can grow at 30% per year then its “PEG” would be 1.

Because of these realities, the “if….then approach” for Medinah specifically would be IF Medinah can prove to me that it is about to go into gold production THEN I’m going to end my “stink bid” approach and be much more aggressive on my buying. In my opinion, the first triple should be relatively easy because the share price shouldn’t have gone to $0.0005 just because somebody dumped 26 million shares in a 5-minute stretch at the close on a Friday afternoon. As the share price “retraces” technically there shouldn’t be a whole lot of “back-filling” in this range. Medinah’s share price should be out of its “coma” after announcing going into gold production. Note that if Medinah didn’t have any early gold production opportunities on site and if gold hadn’t gone up in price by about $500 since management made its production projections then this approach wouldn’t make much sense. If the Covid-19 virus never occurred and if the Central Banks didn’t flood the system with an endless amount of cash WHEN THE DEBT LEVELS WERE ALREADY OUT OF CONTROL then it might not make as much sense.

So how can Medinah convince me that it is indeed ready to go into gold production?

  1. They’re about 3 years behind the earlier projected schedule because SERNAGEOMIN made them fabricate 3 ventilation/safety raises i.e. in other words they’re way overdue. A positive production decision has already been made otherwise they wouldn’t be fabricating those raises.
  2. In December of 2018 management announced that the 3 raises were nearing completion. But this still leaves the final production permitting process and addressing any deficiencies found.
  3. About 9 months ago they announced the hiring and appointment to VP of Engineering of an operations firm (Dumas Contracting) that contracts out to mining personnel.
  4. For me, any announcement that a formal production permit is in hand would be highly suggestive of near-term production. Why? Because there could be close to $1,000 per ounce in margins available now due to the POG being where it is and the price of oil being where it is.
  5. Any announcement that the AUMC share unrestricting, allocation and distribution is about to commence would be critical. Why? For the life of me, I can’t imagine a new gold producer going into production right now with all that is going on with only 5% of its shares in a free-trading status.
  6. In the Larrissa Adit (“Adit #3”) high grade ore has already been reached and identified. The ultra-high grade found in “Vein 2A” may or may not have been intercepted during the construction of the 3 raises. Quite a while ago, management sensed that they were within 20 meters of this highly sought-after vein.

The approach I would recommend is to do your due diligence grunt work AHEAD OF TIME so that if an “If….then” moment occurs then you’ll be in a position to act upon it. This grunt work should include an estimate for all-in sustaining costs at the ADL with the infrastructure it has (my guess is somewhere around $850), where the POG is going to be over the next several years, the projected growth profile starting at about 25,000 ounces of gold annually based on 5,000 tonnes per month mining allowance, a separate estimate for how this allowance might go up over time, a proper EPS multiple for a new gold producer, an approximate timing estimate for when the Fortuna Mine might kick into production if you feel it is going to, etc. Even though the remaining die-hards on this forum might have been living and breathing Medinah for seemingly and actually decades for the most part NOBODY HAS EVER HEARD OF MEDINAH/AUMC and the baby (the mineral assets) have been pretty much thrown out with the bath water.

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Thanks, as usual, for your comments - and hope you’re doing well!

So where we stand is apparently MDMN/Auryn are in the process of applying for final production permits with the proper authority, which process I think I have read you saying is normally very slow. It seems like applying for a permit should be a “public” process, meaning that those living nearby get the opportunity to review the application and object, if desired (cf. “Notice and Opportunity to be Heard”). So, I wonder if there is a website which publicizes such permit applications. Could it be that somebody has objected? Hmmm …

Doc. Have you bothered to speak to Maurizio about your numerous theories? Shouldn’t that be part of your “grunt work”? I have a strong suspicion that you might tone down some of your forecasts with a simply phone call to a guy who’s very reachable. And, in the process, you may suck less people into buying more shares of this ridiculous stock. Its clear that there are still people who, after all of these years, still believe your posts and often throw good money after bad. You really need to take ownership in some of the millions of dollars that have been lost here by naive retail investors looking for a home run who have read your “insights” and subsequently been convinced to invest/add.

The other lingering question: if Maurizio is actually going to move forward with some of the near-term production opportunities, where is he going to come up with the money and do you actually believe that AUMC/MDMN shareholders won’t get diluted (again) into oblivion? This isn’t a charity project and the capex required to get into production is a multiple of the combined market caps up these companies. A company without defined resources and a PFS has extremely expensive cost of capital…for the few who actually have access to capital

Maurizio is not Les Price therefore he is not going to divulge what would be considered public information to any individual investor that happens to call in. Not even to Doc!

Doc shares his opinion, thoughts and knowledge with this board just as hundreds of others have done over the years. People take what they want from it. Just because you don’t agree with him does not give you the right to accuse him of “sucking” people in. We all have our own opinions about this investment and we all have to take ownership for the decisions we make regarding it.

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Can you give me Maurizio number I would like to call him myself. I am so over this tinfoil hat bullshit!! Wtf is our update on the shares and what if anything is happening on the mountain?

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Z. Doc never speaks to management. This is part of the problem. This is a stinky pinky bulletin board stock not MSFT, guys like Maurizio will always provide “color” on what is going on. He’s certainly not Les who purposefully falsified information but it’s ALWAYS useful to speak to management to better understand what you own. Maybe less time writing “chapters” for the tragic Medinah novel and more time trying to speak to people about what’s actually going on. That’s my only point.

So far Maurizio has not PUBLICLY provided much color on what is going on so i would hope that he is NOT providing color during conversations with individual shareholders. That would be a breach of his fiduciary responsibility to all shareholders.

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Hi Z,
I tend to agree with your take on Maurizio and his providing of information to individual shareholders. It became painfully obvious at the “informational meeting” in Vegas 3 and a half years ago that Maurizio is NOT the type of person to leak out inside information with a positive spin. When approached, he is the type of person that will present the most UN-sugarcoated version of reality possible. He is the embodiment of the “under promise and overdeliver” approach to management. This is 180-degrees antipodal to what we have become used to under the previous Medinah regime. KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN YOU READ A PR FROM AURYN.

I asked him a simple question at that meeting from my seat in the crowd about the chances that our copper grades might improve with depth due to supergene enrichment as is the case in properties surrounding the ADL. His answer was a very strict NO we cannot make such a (positive) assumption. Later in the meeting, he specifically cited that mining industry investments are not for “widows and orphans”. When Kevin Tupper retired from the CEO position at Medinah in order to move on to a senior position at Microsoft, Maurizio drafted a letter of thanks to him that he shared with all shareholders and went out of his way to chastise a member of the previous management team for being overly promotional.

He even went to the extent of asking us a favor if we were to communicate information received at that informational meeting with others unable to attend that meeting. He asked us to provide those people with a copy of Auryn’s “Forward looking statement” policy. I’ve never experienced such a meticulous “cover your butt and round down expectations” policy before. Keep in mind that Maurizio is the guy that gave so much business to his main law firm on doing deals that he just went out and bought the law firm. Maurizio was referring to us copying the boilerplate notation management teams put after the text of a press release.

Auryn’s FLS policy includes:

“This forward-looking information includes, or may be based upon estimates, forecasts and statements of management’s expectations with respect to, among other things, the completion of transactions, the issuance of permits, the size and quality of mineral resources, future trends for the company, progress in development of mineral properties, future production and sales volumes, capital costs, mine production costs, demand and market outlook for metals, future metal prices and treatment and refining or milling charges, the outcome of legal proceedings, the timing of exploration, development and mining activities, acquisition of shares in other companies and the financial results of the company. There can be no assurances that such statements will prove to be accurate and actual results and future events could differ materially and substantially from those anticipated in such statements.”

How does this reality affect the way we do due diligence on a company like Medinah/Auryn under the current regime? You pretty much MEMORIZE the press releases and feel very comfortable that the news related is accurate and quite possibly the conservative version of reality. To a person with 40 years of investing in this industry this is very refreshing.

When Auryn’s Luciano Bocanegra stated that his estimate was that there was at least 664,000 ounces of gold present in the upper levels of just two of the many veins present on the central and eastern plateau I interpret that as a minimum number. I know it is because I studied the IP/IR survey results and the obvious mineralization further down.

Have you noticed that Maurizio doesn’t use Medinah’s “preliminary resource estimate” (derived by Gordon House at the same time that Canada’s National Policy 2A was being converted to NI 43-101) of 722,000 ounces of gold, 6.5 million ounces of silver and “X” billion pounds of copper being present at the Gordon breccia pipe? Maurizio wasn’t involved in that calculation so he doesn’t use it. I trust the work of Gordon House and ACA Howe but Maurizio has chosen not to quote the work of others even though Auryn’s further drilling efforts expanded the Gordon Pipe area’s mineralization to the south and west.

In Auryn’s FLS statement you can see the terms “issuance of permits” and “future production”. I find it interesting that Maurizio had the presence of mind to remind us that in Chile the “issuance of permits” is indeed a critical issue as this can be a slow process that is not predictable as SERNAGEOMIN can and will make last minute demands for the construction of things like “ventilation/safety” raises. In terms of Auryn’s projected further production, I wouldn’t doubt that the 25,000 ounces per year JUST FROM THE CAREN MINE might be a bit on the conservative side. But my point is, who cares if the “all in sustaining cost” is somewhere around $850 per ounce (my guess based on the superior infrastructure at the ADL) and the POG is somewhere around $1,700 per ounce. You do the math, Maurizio is not going to do it for you.

DISCLAIMER: Do not make investment decisions based on this information. I’d encourage the heavy-hitter past due diligence providers back to the forum if they find the time.

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There is a wiiiiide gap between an investor who regularly communicates with company management vs. what would be considered gaining inside information and you are basically admitting that the last time you spoke to Maurizio, within a group setting was three years ago???

It wouldn’t be inside information to know that Maurizio is trying to move forward on multiple, non-Medinah related projects that are all of priority (time and money) over Medinah. However, this might be a valuable piece of knowledge when assessing why there has been zero updates on progress on the hill. Or, we could follow your path of needlessly speculating on what may or may not be happening. I just can’t understand how someone can spend soooo much time on an investment that they are down 99.9% on while not picking up the phone to get get a better feel for what is actually happening (read: not inside information).

The other undeniable reality: progress on the mountain/ or towards production costs mucho dinero. How is the company going to pay for this when their only currency (share price) is in the gutter? It’s a toxic spiral once the stock goes into the pennies or fractions of a penny after which point it normally makes a lot more sense to recapitalize, reverse split, blow out all of the existing equity holders and rebuild (while management issues themselves egregious amounts of long-term options). Maybe Maurizio will take the higher ground b/c he’s a swell guy. Not a bet I would make.

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John give it a rest.

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It’s ok jcn… he’s just here for the entertainment. :slight_smile:

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Yup. It’s a decent, occasional, entertaining distraction from reality.

jcn… trolls are necessary. Trolls bring out the true nature of some people. :grinning:

Misery… Seeking Company…

Back around 2013, when a stream of hush-hush Medinah information (is there anyone still alive here who remembers Kaboom?), a stream which, I later learned, came straight from Les’s lyin’ lips to one of his trusted confidants and, after a quick stop with a friend of mine, on to my trusting and gullible and eager ears…

Back when that information kept me in near-total certainty that my investment (eventually $125,000, but today worth $1,200 plus change) would sometime in the next six-to-eighteen months result in my having $2 to $5 million with which I was going to do all sorts of good in the world…

Back in those days, the “good old days,” I shared my excitement with one of my dearest friends who I have known for 47 years and who became infected to the point where he stuck more than $10,000 (and, I believe, probably less than $25,000) into MDMN, and together we fantasized about our impending good fortune and congratulated each other on our swashbuckling forward-marching attitudes toward life – no wallflowers, we!

When everything went to s**t, Frank easily forgave me, took total responsibility for his so-called investment – it wasn’t the end of the world for him or anything. He had a house and food and some savings and some other income. He was okay. He didn’t blame me, it all faded, we came to laugh about it and say, ‘Well, you never really do know… Maybe… It’s still possible… You never know…!’ etc., and our friendship continued to flourish right to the end.

My man died in late March at age 69, back in Pittsburgh, PA. (Not from the virus.) After four heart attacks during the past decade his body finally said Enough! Beginning about twenty years ago, as cell phones were starting to proliferate as rapidly as shares in MDMN, Frank and I probably talked on the phone 75-80% of the days on each year’s calendar. His absence leaves a huge hole in my life, but that’s Life. We know we’re not here forever. (Only Medinah seems to be here forever.)

Two days ago I received a letter from Frank’s attorney in regards to Frank’s will. Frank and I had two mutual friends who received similar letters, and today I learned that each of them received similar letters from the same attorney – Frank left each of them $25,000 cash.

I was left Frank’s MDMN shares, worth about, I’m guessing, somewhat less than $100. Should I care to collect them.

Ah…

Ah…

Ah, I think I’ll just leave it right there for now.

All I know for certain is that there are many people on this list who can easily top this story. And I’d love to hear some of them. While we wait.

– madmen

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Madmen, I am in about 60% of your all in. We can only have hope at this time.
But still a great story, good, bad, or indifferent.
TDK

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Rest in peace Frank. The guy must’ve had a hell of a sense of humor to leave you his MDMN shares in lieu of 25k cash… I hope! Otherwise, it could easily be perceived as a kick in the nutz. :woozy_face:

I don’t have much in the way of MDMN stories to tell. The people I knew who introduced me to the stock have faded into the past and I still cringe a little thinking about those who bought as a result of my introduction. None of them ever gave me any crap at all about it. That could be because I have a good group of friends who take responsibility for their actions and don’t do the blame game, or it could be because they know how much I invested and figure that’s far, far, far… FAAAARRRR worse than any punishment they could dole out. :wink:

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Well, Madmen, you did better than me.

I had a friend who had upwards of 10 million shares. He was “planning” to do his will, leaving not only the MDMN shares but everything else he had to ME, and not his ex-wife or brother. He went in for a surgery and was expecting to come to my house to convalesce. He died right after the surgery, in his hospital room. Then, we learned that the will he was going to execute was still sitting on his attorney’s desk, unexecuted. But the good thing is his brother called me up to get information about him for the estate (I took care of this guy and knew everything about him), and told me that he was going to give his MDMN shares to me anyway, despite the lack of will. Of course, I never heard from him.

So, Madmen, do count yourself fortunate. I do, because the memories of my friendship with this guy are voluminous and prayerful, irreplaceable my mere shares of stock - and I do mean “mere”.

Lots of “good” stories here, maybe - what a saga. Brecciaboy ain’t the only one who could write a book.

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Retired Mind Worker

Thanks for the commiseration, guys, fellow sufferers, and thanks for reading my little story…

After I posted it yesterday I learned that a second mutual friend of Frank’s and mine also received $25,000 cash. Of course I’ve kicked this around in my mind quite a bit now (and with those two friends, as well) and I don’t think Frank was trying to stick it to me – although, hey, You never really do know, do you? But Frank and I have been on good warm intimate terms for so long that I cannot feel any animosity involved here – and I’d be really surprised if Frank had felt any.

Also I remember that three or four years ago, after his second heart attack, Frank told me he’d finally gone to an attorney and had a will drawn up, and back then, somewhere around the time of the October 2016 MDMN shareholders meeting in Las Vegas, with all the hope and promise in the air, it could easily have seemed that the stock was – by a sizable kaboom! – the bigger gift, and it’s possible that after that, as MDMN’s share price continued its escalator ride to the bottom, Frank never changed the will. But we’ll never know for sure…

And I’ll add one more note: Frank was a thoughtful, playful, clever guy, good with words, full of humor. (Also an elite basketball player, drafted in a late round by the NBA, played in Europe, which is where I met him, in 1973.) And his and my unusual relationship was not unknown among his circles back in Pittsburgh, PA, where lots of folks proudly engrave their headstones this way: Retired Mine Worker.

(Unusual relationship? I was cleaning up my room last week and an itemized phone bill fell out of the mountain of papers on my desk. It was two years old, from a random month, and nothing about the call pattern or minutes total seemed at all out of the ordinary. In that one month, Frank and I talked slightly more than 1300 minutes. Approx twenty-two hours in total, including two stretches exceeding 90-minutes each. In my life, that is more than unusual.)

A week after Frank died I received a text from his attorney, back in Pittsburgh: “Did Frank ever talk to you about his headstone?”

My reply: “LOTS! For years he’s sworn he was going to put Retired Mind Worker on it. Just ten days ago [this was while Frank was in the hospital and expecting to soon be discharged] he told me on the phone that the only thing he really had to do when he got out of the hospital was to make sure that the folks at the cemetery knew he wasn’t kidding about that…”

The attorney: “Yeah, that’s what he told me, too – but I just wanted to double check with you – I knew you would know…”

Someday when we’re all free to move about the country again, I’m going to go back to Pittsburgh and find his grave and laugh: "Retired Mind Worker."

Hah!

– madmen

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I think you nailed it in your second paragraph madmen. I suspect he put it in the will anticipating great things and that was that. I still believe there is a chance for things to play out profitably for us. It’s certainly what I would like to see. I’d love to see everyone who stuck it out here, whether for lack of logic/brain matter, blind faith, or anything in between, to end up with some kind of reward more than just the lessons we’ve already learned… and regardless of what any naysayers may say as to why it can’t or won’t happen.

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Thank you, mad, for sharing your story with such poignant sentiment. Hopefully one day, most of us will be here to see some sort of conclusion to the saga.

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