Auryn/Medinah - 2023 2nd Half General Discussion

Hi jak167. I’m curious about how difficult it really is to determine refractory from non-refractory ore. How could AURYN not be aware of the refractory nature of their ore, as you stated? Also, to what degree has it been found refractory?

If it were easy, then it doesn’t make sense that GoldLogic would have signed an MOU and insist the ore be tested at a special facility in Peru. Apparently GoldLogic anticipated non-refractory ore as well. So I don’t think that makes MC an ameteur for not knowing ahead of time.

**From the April 2023 Update:

** " * To ensure that AURYN can meet the terms of the agreement with the minerals trader, a 120 kg sample of the ore has been sent to two different specialist labs in Peru for comprehensive testing. The sample is expected to clear customs in Chile this week and will then be sent to the labs in Peru. These tests, including gravimetric and chemical assays, will provide crucial information for maximizing profitability under the agreement. The analysis will be carried out in special laboratories in Peru since they offer the most complete set of gold tests we have been able to find. The labs that we use in Chile are unable to perform all the metallurgical tests required to satisfy the requirements of the terms sheet."

(I italicized and highlighted some of the direct quote.)

Clearly, there was no easy way for MC to fully determine the ore to be of refractory nature prior to the testing in Peru.

From the August Update:

“After comprehensive metallurgical testing at a specialized laboratory in Peru, we’ve identified that our ore possesses a refractory nature. This characteristic means it is unsuitable for gravimetric processing, a fact which directly impacts our initial plans with Goldlogic.”

Since it was determined to be refractory by GoldLogic’s standards, Auryn had to adjust their plans to find the best extraction methods. This doesn’t mean that gravimetrics cannot be used on some of the other claims.

When you take those facts, along with MC completing the necessary work required to meet standards for SERNAGEOMIN and ENAMI, then it’s difficult for me to see him as being an ameteur. Did it take longer than it should have? Yes it did; he had to overcome several pitfalls. But how can anyone blame him for time spent since he first took the reigns. He had so much BS to clear up before he could get started in the first place. Now, as far as I can see, we are finally there.

Feel free to correct me if I don’t have all the facts straight. I am a mining ameteur, lol! …but I’m not just a blind investor. I try to put all the pieces together to understand it better without the hopium.

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At this point it’s all about gold and gold grade. Many of your posts BB accurately point to the low sulfidation gold present that is largely free milling. A gravitational processing unit would enhance these deposits to a very profit concentrate to haul to ENAMI’s smelting facility. Until the gravitational concentration processing plant can be obtained, the very high gold content ore can be mined and hauled with a very profitable margin. With two porphyries present on the Alto it is difficult to show both a typical Moly-AU model in the same model as a mesothermal vein deposit which I think this model shown below depicts well. I remember this diagram that represents a model of the complexity of the type of deposits located across the ADL.

:point_up: It is a simplification of a small section of Greg Corbett’s overview of structures in a classic copper porphyry model containing both high and low sulfidation zones with offshoot veins. Assays have clearly shown the presence of these ore types.

Greg Corbett’s model

Now that we are REGISTERED MEMBERS and on the CHILEAN MINING REGISTRY things can proceed. The free milling ore now being mined and shipped will become the immediate cash cow for further production. There are many intersections mapped with over 100 gpt gold and one of 1,220 gpt gold and off the chart silver. These deposits originated from the PN which is a copper rich CU-(MO)-(AU) porphyry and likely progenitor of deposits on the ADL. It is not so much a disappointment that the detailed assays did not meet the spec sheets for a contract with the Goldlogic group. I see it as advertising that we are shopping for some larger deal with a major for the PN to provide the financing for building out an onsite flotation circuit to make shipping all ore economical as a concentrate. Why would a major be interested in making a deal?

Bornite is typically 60% or greater copper.

Porphyry deposits are hosts to one of the most important economic mineral associations (Cooke et al., 2005, Halter et al., 2005, Heinrich et al., 2004, Mutschler et al., 2010, Sillitoe, 2010), accounting for ~ 80% Cu and ~ 95% Mo of the world’s total reserves.

(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169136814002054)

EZ

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That’s interesting, then what was the purpose of the ore sent for testing set forth in the January 2021 update? And, from the same update, the Q1 2021 goal of shipping ore to Enami?

They had results from testing back in 2021 and they had the geo students working on the mountain. From the January 2022 update “Students took samples from each of the structures and several of the Don Luis branches encountered during the development of the tunnel. The university expects to provide us with a full report on their analysis of these samples during Q1 2022.” And the April 2022 update “Research and analysis of samples taken on the structures found in the Antonino Tunnel are still in progress. A new group of students is continuing this project and will be coming to Fortuna for further sampling and analysis.” I find it hard to believe Enami and the geo students could not identify the type of ore, when it’s critical to mining to know whether you have refactory or non-refactory ore. It’s not like it’s some obscure thing no one knows. Refactory/non-refactory ore is vital to knowing how you work your mine. I find it hard to believe only one lab in Peru could make this determination. And AURN only used the lab in Peru because the alleged offtaker wanted it. If you google ore testing, at least a hundred companies pop up saying they will test ore. Not a single one of those could determine refactory/non-refactory ore?

Oh, and how about this wonderful nugget (pun intended) from the April 2021 update: “AURYN is analyzing which type of concentration and processing plant is best for ore from La Fortuna de Lampa. Meanwhile, we will continue to sell ore to Enami. AURYN acquired production equipment, including two new compressors, two jackleg drills, and a Bobcat in order to reduce the time required for drilling, blasting, and removal of material. In addition, AURYN acquired a crusher and conveyor belt to reduce the size of the ore and match Enami’s processing requirements.” Let’s compare this update to the one just released. “Adjusting to these circumstances, we’ll be extracting the mineral directly from the vein and transporting it to ENAMI for processing through Direct Smelting. However, to ensure efficiency, scalability, and improved margins, the establishment of a flotation plant is in our purview, given that this method is the most effective for our ore’s composition.” Hmmm. Seems extremely similar. So, back in April 2021 you were exploring the type of plant to use and would ship ore to Enami. In August 2023, you are going to explore what type of plant to use and would ship ore to Enami.

I will only go off what AURN tells us. They told us they were testing ore, exploring what best plant to use, and would ship ore to Enami in 2021. They shipped a total of 50 tons of ore over a 32 month period, earning a grand total of ~$36k. I gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were making progress on other matters and had an alleged offtake agreement. I wanted to see their plan and the justification as to why they stopped shipping ore. Unfortunately, the agreement was not really much of anything and they provided no justification as to why they stopped shipping ore. They just stopped. If they told us why they stopped shipping ore, I could understand. But they didn’t. They just stopped shipping even though they told us they would ship during the investigation process. Now their August 2023 update mirrors the April 2021 update.

I want to believe in AURN and MC. ANd the only reason I haven’t sold like Baldy was I had no use for the tax loss, so might as well hold on. Unfortunately, IMO they have not stood true to what they have told us. If they they been sending ore non-stop for the last 32 months, AURN would be in a much better position than it is now. IMO, that’s why the last 32 months have been wasted. AURN said we would ship ore while we investigated. They didn’t.

I hadn’t sold any of my worthless MDMN/AURN shares as I have only been growing my portfolio over the years and not needing to sell. My oldest daughter will be starting college in Fall 2024 (she was in diapers when I first got into MDMN). At least with it staying in the dumpster I can start using the tax loss to my advantage. If I have any left, I might as well hold on to it to use for tax loss once I retire, as if this is how AURN is run, this mine will not see any decent production for another 20 years.

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Below is a link to a “typical flowsheet for processing refractory gold ore”:

A typical flowsheet for processing refractory gold ore (Sulphidic Gold… | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)

A lot of this talk about “refractory” ores and “flotation” and “DIRECT SMELTING” can be confusing but it’s really not that complicated. Most gold ores are destined for the smelter (ultra-hot reverberatory furnace) eventually. “Refractory ores” are gold ores that are typically encapsulated in “sulfide” or “arsenic” minerals like arsenopyrite or “apy”. Sometimes it is the gold’s association with “carbon” in “carbonaceous minerals” that makes it more difficult to recover. Other times, it’s the size of the gold particles, “fines” and “ultra-fines”, that make it tougher to recover and less amenable to processes like “gravity separation”. As noted, eventually the final destination is likely to be a “smelter”. The main difference is the pathway to the smelter. It can be “DIRECT” as in what Enami calls “DIRECT SHIPPING ORE” or INDIRECT involving preliminary steps prior to smelting.

Is ”refractory ore” a bad thing? If you recall the typical layers to a hydrothermal vein deposit like that of Auryn’s, at surface you have the “gossan”. This is a colorful area often composed of “altered” clays that make up “argillic alteration”. These are illite, smectite and kaolinite. This is the “X marks the spot” for prospectors because rich deposits often show this at surface right above the deposit. The DL2 Vein has a corridor of “argillic alteration” with a width of up to 200-meters. The next layer down from surface is the “leached zone”. Not much valuable material is found here because, as the name implies, it has been “leached” by surrounding acids, and the sought after metals have been dissolved and they drift lower in the structure. Next comes the “oxide” layer. Now things start getting interesting. “Oxides” are relatively easy to process and the recovery rates are high in mining operations. The thing that does the “oxidizing” is the oxygen contained in “meteoric water” which is rain water. If you look at that “typical flow sheet for processing refractory ore” you’ll notice that several of those steps for dealing with “refactory” ore involved “forced oxidation” of sulfide material. These include “pressure oxidation” or “POX” and “biological oxidation” or “BIOX”. Even “smelting” involves “forced oxidation”.

The next layer lower is the “SUPERGENE ENRICHMENT ZONE” if a deposit is lucky enough to have one. This is where the material that has been “leached” by acids piles up in large very high-grade mineral assemblages down by the historical water table. Auryn got lucky in this respect with all of that high-grade copper known as “BORNITE” (the blue stuff) you saw in the “photo gallery” of Auryn’s website.

The layer underneath the SGE zone is called the “sulfide” layer. This is where Auryn is currently mining. As the name implies, this layer is inhabited by gold, copper and silver “sulfides” which are often “refractory” because the gold can hide within the crystalline lattice of these sulfide minerals, especially arsenopyrite or “apy”. Most mines are mining “sulfide” ore.

In “mesothermal” vein systems like these, as you go deeper into the “sulfide” layer, BOTH the grades and the widths of the veins tend to improve. Both Dick Sillitoe and Rob Cinits of ACA Howe have noted this happening at the DL2 Vein. Auryn is currently mining level 3. When they start mining, let’s say, level 5 or 6, the grades are likely (but not assuredly) to be higher and the vein widths more favorable.

The question becomes, IS “REFRACTORY” ORE A BAD THING. The answer is easy, it depends upon the GRADE of the “refractory” ore. “Refractory” ore will cost more to process because more steps are involved. The GRADE of the ore is still, by far and away, the primary determinant of the ECONOMICS. Would you rather average grade oxide ore or would you rather have off the chart grade sulfide ore? It’s not even close. The Auryn story is all about EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH-GRADE SULFIDE ORE. Sure, it would have been great if we were mining EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH-GRADE OXIDE ORE.

On the flowsheet that is linked to, if you draw a straight line between “comminution” (crushing and grinding) to “smelting”, this represents the path for Auryn’s “DIRECT SMELTING” ore, i.e. DIRECTLY to the smelter. For those Enami (a branch of the Chilean government) clients that have qualified to be “registered” with the Chilean Mining Registry, like Auryn did on July 4, 2023, they have the right to send their DIRECT SMELTING ore to the nearest CODELCO (another branch of the Chilean government) smelter. Codelco runs 4 of the 7 smelters in Chile. This policy, which was approved by the Chilean legislature’s Lower House Mining and Energy Committee, is very important for a producer like Auryn. The Las Ventanas Smelter, in Valparaiso, is being shut down, for reasons associated with environmental concerns. There are 2 Codelco smelters located within about 100 miles of the ADL.

About one-fourth of all gold ores are considered “refractory”. The great equalizer in gold ore processing is that “refractory” ores tend to have grades approximately 1.86-times the grades of non-refractory ores. This has nothing to do with the stellar grades being found at the DL2 Vein. Those “RUN OF MINE” grades are simply off the chart whether, from a processing point of view, the ore be “refractory” or non-refractory. As noted, by far and away, the most important characteristic from an ECONOMIC point of view is GRADE. At the end of the day, pretty much all of the gold will be recovered. It’s mainly a matter of how many intermediate steps between comminution and smelting need to be taken.

“Smelting” is what’s called an “extractive metallurgical process” that produces a metal from its ore. Smelting uses heat, usually from a reverberatory furnace, in order to decompose the ore and drive off unwanted waste material and gases, leaving the desired metals behind. Those “sulfides” that give ore its refractory nature will be volatilized and the “sulfur dioxide” gases will carry away those impurities. In the case of the unwanted “carbon” material, they will be volatilized away as carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide gases. Toxic gases released by smelting will be “scrubbed” later in order to detoxify them. The operating costs for Codelco’s newly updated smelters is only 10-cent per tonne for Codelco. I personally find this hard to fathom but it is what it is.

At the DL2 Vein project, Auryn will be shipping their RELATIVELY LOW-GRADE ORE (below 20 gpt gold but still actually very “high-grade” ore) to Enami’s FLOTATION FACILITY. NOTE THAT 18 TO 20 GPT GOLD ORE IS NOT “LOW GRADE” BY ANY MEANS. At the DL2 Vein, this material is “RELATIVELY” low-grade. The average grade of gold being mined worldwide today in underground vein operations is 4.18 gpt gold. When you factor in above ground “open pit” operations, the average grade of gold being mined worldwide today is a little bit over 1 gpt gold. The ore that Auryn will be shipping to the Enami FLOTATION FACILITY will be somewhat “high-grade” ore derived from the less well-mineralized wall rock just lateral to the DL2 VEIN PROPER. This ore will be very ECONOMIC but just not to the degree that the super high-grade ore from the VEIN PROPER will be. The good news is that, after all of this time, we’re about to find out the ECONOMICS involved.

At the DL2 Vein project, the highest grade-ore is that located within the vein itself. You already know what types of grades that this ore is running in the area where Auryn is currently mining. The “channel sampling” or “channel chip sampling”, which measures only the grade of the VEIN ORE itself, ran from 150 gpt to 164 gpt gold. But do not expect the SHIPPING GRADE of a truckload of Auryn’s DL2 Vein ore to approach these kinds of numbers. This kind of grade will become DILUTED because what is shipped will include some of the “RELATIVELY” low-grade wall rock.

On any given working face, the ore located lateral to the vein and within the surrounding “wall rock” is less well-mineralized and of a LOWER grade. This does not translate into this ore being of “LOW-GRADE”, i.e. perhaps 1 to 2 gpt gold. When you mine a 3-meter-wide adit working face, the miners have to remove all 3-meters of rock so that men and equipment can access the next upcoming “working face”. Visibly non-mineralized rock near the lateral borders of the adit can be visually sorted and discarded prior to crushing.

The only grade that matters is the grade that Enami will pay you for. In the recent shipment of an unknown quantity of ore to Enami/Codelco’s DIRECT SMELTING facility, the “settled upon” grade or “agreed to liquidation grade” was 73 gpt “gold equivalent” when you add to the gold grade, which was 57 gpt gold, the contributions from silver and copper. Do not expect the grades of the ore being shipped to Enami’s FLOTATION FACILITY to be that high.

SOME POINTS BEING CURRENTLY DISCUSSED ON THE MININGPLAY FORUM

  1. CRITIQUE: Management should have known that the ore had a refractory nature to it.

What management KNEW or DIDN’T KNOW about any potential refractory nature of the ore isn’t the issue. The potential offtake partner, Goldlogic, had to learn about the refractory nature or lack of a refractory nature to the ore LOCATED AT WHERE AURYN WAS ABOUT TO COMMENCE MINING. Auryn has never been at this 1,840 meters above sea level depth before so, of course, COMPREHENSIVE METALLURGICAL STUDIES needed to be done.

Auryn tested a well-known “gravity plant” model known as the Sepro-Falconer. This was done at an unknown depth over at the Merlin 1 Vein to the west of the DL2 Vein. The results were great and they saw an over 90% recovery of “even the fines”. Whatever technology that Goldlogic insisted on utilizing for the ore located at the 1,840 meters above sea level at the DL2 Vein did not show the results that Goldlogic was looking for. Was Goldlogic looking for ore that made THEIR PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY look like the new ultimate “better mousetrap” of the future, I don’t know. Would Auryn have had to purchase this new better mousetrap technology through Goldlogic? I don’t know. What was wrong with the standard “mousetraps” (gravity plants) available right there in Chile i.e. Sepro, Knelson, etc? I don’t know.

Here’s what we know to be the facts. The Sepro-Falconer worked just fine at the Merlin 1 Vein which is located to the west of the DL2 Vein. It is part of the same VEIN SET as the DL2 Vein. The DL2 Vein ore located at the 1,840 meters above sea level did not meet the goals set forth by Goldlogic, whatever they were. Did they want a PERFECT MATCH for their technology that would make their technology look awesome for promotional purposes? I don’t know. The need to ship the ore to 2 “specialty labs” in Peru seemed a little bit weird but who the heck knows? WOULD I RULE OUT THE FUTURE USE OF GRAVITY PLANTS AT THE ADL MINING DISTRICT? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. When Auryn (hopefully) intersects the Don Enrique Vein very close to where the terminus of the Antonino Adit currently is, might this ore (from a different vein than the DL2 that is located closer to the Merlin 1 Vein) have results equal to those achieved by the Merlin 1 Vein with the Sepro-Falconer? Of course it might, but I certainly don’t feel qualified to handicap the odds.

CRITIQUE #2: Auryn took way too long to locate the DL2 Vein.

The plan was to locate and intercept the DL2 Vein at approximately the 1,840 meters above sea level elevation underneath where “Shaft C” of the “old workings” intersected level 2. You need to think in 3-dimensions here. They are looking for a certain “spot” in the belly of the mountain. You want adits to be fairly level with maybe a slight incline or decline. You don’t want low spots that will attract water. Next, you need to pick the location at which you want the transported ore to arrive at the plateau surface. The obvious choice would be at the junction of the North Road and the plateau. You then go to this area with a topographical map and locate where the 1,840 meters above sea level elevation is. This gives you a line that the adit to the portal is going to be on. You need to keep thinking in 3-dimensions. The elevation needed to be right and the proximity to the North Road had to be right. You also wanted to intersect the DL2 Vein at somewhat of a right angle so that you could establish 2 working faces, one oriented to the NNW and one to the SSE. Now you know where on this topographical “line” to construct the “portal”/entrance to the adit. This is where Auryn put it.

You start drifting the adit, in the direction of the “strike” of the DL2 Vein. You can’t miss it because you’re going to “broadside” it. Near surface, the DL2 Vein “dipped” from the surface to the NE at a 45-degree angle. Since management was coming from the NNE and heading to the SSW, from 2 o’clock to 8 o’clock on a watch dial with 12 o’clock being due north, if the DL2 Vein continued on that “dip” of 45-degrees to the NE, they should have hit it fairly early during the process IF THE VEIN DIDN’T CHANGE ITS EARLIER COURSE. As Mother Nature often does, She threw a bit of a curve ball and the Vein up-righted itself and started plunging straight down. The intersection point was much further to the SSW than originally anticipated. Veins are DISCORDANT. They can zig-zag all over the place just like the cracks through rock structures do before they became “veins”.

Three separate times, management declared that they thought that they intersected it and we are awaiting lab confirmation that this was indeed the DL2 Vein. Three straight times, the lab reported that the “DNA” (so to speak) of the vein you just intersected DID NOT MATCH. Keep in mind, you’re underground. There is no GPS. You’re looking for a specific “spot” in the belly of the mountain. Finally on Dec. 23, 2022 they intersected the DL1 Vein, the skinnier of the DL1 and DL2 Veins that the artisanal miners were mining. On January 4, 2023, they confirmed intersecting the main target, the DL2 Vein, and the “DNA match” was confirmed. They ran 2 “channel chip” sampling surveys about 10 days apart. Both came back with literally off the chart results. The original set of 4 “channel chip” samples came back with an average of 164 gpt gold and 4.5% copper. The second sample came back “as expected” (management’s terms) at approximately an average of 150 gpt gold. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS WAS THAT THE STELLAR HISTORICAL SHIPPING GRADES AVERAGING 64 GPT GOLD, AS REPORTED BY ENAMI AND SERNAGEOMIN, HAD FINALLY BEEN CORROBORATED. This is a very, very high-grade mesothermal vein system.

CRITIQUE #3: Why didn’t management ship ore for the last 2 years if the grades were so wonderful? You can’t make regular shipments/”consignments” to Enami, over and above test shipments, until you qualify your project with the CHILEAN MINING REGISTRY and become a “REGISTERED” Enami participant. Auryn qualified and became a “REGISTERED” participant on July 4, 2023.

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I think this is an important post. Obviously I agree with the points being made but, more to the point, there is a MAJOR issue with what AUMC is communicating to investors. I won’t say they are outright lying but, as Jak points out, these press releases are literally on a rinse and repeat pattern. I’m not going to spend the time going over all of their communication but they have announced shipping to Enami and commencement of prodcution countless amount of times. I’m not sure why this time is any different.

Are they lying or just coming up with vague excuses because they know they have the blind support of many of their investors?

For those looking to find excuses for management’s not processing any ore for all of these years, this one takes the cake:

In order to make regular shipments of ore to Enami, Auryn needed to be approved and put on the CHILEAN MINING REGISTRY. This occurred on July 4, 2023

I would agree it takes time to register a mine with the Chilean Mining Registry (Registro Minero de Chile) . Once the application is filed, the registry will review it to make sure that it meets all of the legal requirements. If the application is approved, the registry will issue a mining concession. This concession gives the applicant the exclusive right to explore and exploit the minerals within the boundaries of the claim. There is NO way that AUMC wasn’t already on the registry as they would need approval for exploration in digging the tunnel. An exploitation license on top of an exploration license is a very easy step as you are already registered. I don’t know if they waited until July 4th to receive this concession but, if true, there is NO explanation as to why they waited years to apply for the same. The bigger quesiton: if they needed to wait to be registered how could they have claimed in the past that they were commencing production??

Are they lying or just coming up with vague excuses because they know they have the blind support of many of their investors?

Many eager beavers on this board like to refer to results and grades from decades of historical mining to make an argument that there is a large untapped resource. Are you telling me that artisinal miners sent ore to Enami for decades and there was no mention of refractory ore??? Enami has a completely different payment/cost mechanism to treat the more complex refractory vs. non-refractory ore. They had to go to a “specialized lab in Peru” to gain this clarity on their dirt (one of the most important variables in mining)? Additionally, you’re telling me that Goldlogic wouldn’t enter an offtake b/c of refractory ore? If the ore is grading anything near 20gpt they could easily divert the refractory material to a smelter/refiner that could process at a huge profit. Offtakers take refractory ore all day long if its grading North of 5gpt.

Are they lying or just coming up with vague excuses because they know they have the blind support of many of their investors?

This mining stuff is very difficult. I won’t fault the guys for finding the DL Vein 3 times but, if they spent $1M on a drill program they would actually have a resource and, more to the point, they would have actually known where the vein was. I will not be suprised if some here will still argue that spending $5M to find the vein was the right call. Maybe there is a reason why 99% of successful mining projects actually start with a mine plan (drilling, block model, metallurgical work which would tell you if the ore was refractory, etc, etc).

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The flowsheet cited just goes to show how complex a process using flotation to get to the smelter is. Isn’t it much better to send hi-grade ore direct to the smelter if it can be mined efficiently in sufficient quantities? I note that there is a just 1 High Sulfide mine in Chile in the 5M oz category listed (El Indio/Tambo, Chile - Primarily high grade veins and breccias). Pascua//Lama/Veladero in Chile/Argentina, however, is a 40 M oz. combined district resource.

The link I provided in my earlier post (“Refractory gold ores: Challenges and opportunities for a key source of growth”) fully supports that 90% of all gold mined in SA is from non-refractory ores! It is for this reason that I support the idea that free milling ore may provide the most economical and profitable path to early cash flow. Of course, it is up to MC’s team to figure out how to bring in the quickest early cash return for the least cost. Maximizing profitable cash-flow will lead to realizing the longer term vision of becoming a mid-tier producer.

Earlier you supported this idea. It’s interesting that the hi-grade “bonanza grades” at the Merlin 1 and DL1, are at similar levels from an elevation point of view.

Continuing the discussion from Auryn/Medinah - 2022 - 1st Half General Discussion:

Also, about that same time you had noted an intriguing finding at the intersection of Shaft A and Level 2 of the Fortuna Mine/DL1 Vein.

Continuing the discussion from Auryn/Medinah - 2022 - 1st Half General Discussion:

Management is refining both the short-term and long-range business plans as the development of the entire project continues. This includes the possibility of bringing on and finding suitable additional partners for the various porphyry targets. CU is still the big prize if it can be nailed down. There is a significant amount of work remaining evaluating all the targets. It is encouraging to see MC’s team is fostering a close relationship with government officials as mining and permits progress forward.

EZ

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I have a good friend who has a very successful project in South America **Ero Copper Corp. (TSX: ERO, NYSE: ERO)
I asked his group to give me their “opinion”, especially given their success thus far. Basic summary; this is going nowhere unless there is significant financing. I’m a foolish long time shareholder who fell into the quicksand years ago. IMO tread the conversations haven’t changed much. Only difference is “honest management”. the first group were thieves at best. Now I “think” we have honest mgmt but still going nowhere until there is significant financing…in the xxx,xxx,xxx Sorry for the input, but I’m not interested in redundant text book chatter about something that can’t possibly happen without serious financing

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They should have approached this whichever way made the most sense to attract a major financer/jv partner. If the way they chose was better than a drill program like BB claims, now would be about that time to prove it.

Should have, could have, would have.

I think you boys are in the wrong stock. Time for you all to move on?

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And hence my upset at telling us they were shipping ore, but then stopped without explanation or justification for the last 32 months. And then rehashing the same “forward looking” statements from 32 months ago.

They shipped 50 tons of ore to Enami and Enami processed it and paid AURN for the processed ore. 50 tons is not just a “test run”. It’s most likely two loads in the truck (can’t find the truck specs). Enami didn’t guess on how to process it. They knew how to process it, did so, and paid out on it. If they knew how to process it, they knew the type of ore.

For those here on the board that love throwing numbers around, let’s speculate. 32 months, let’s call that 128 weeks. Let’s say on the conservative side it takes one full day to load and travel to Enami, and then one full day to return. So two days for each truck load of ore processes. We will call each truck load 25 tons. ~$16k net on each truck load. Call it two truck loads per week. 256 total loads. 256 x $16k = $4.096M. At three truck loads per week it would be approximately 384 x $16k = 6.144M.

Does anyone think AURN could not have needed or used an extra $4-6M of the last two years? Anyone? Does anyone think and extra $4-6M would have hurt AURN’s potential prospect to secure financing?

The fact AURN could have generated this revenue, but chose not to do so, IMO is inexcusable. And going back to the reference about ‘just now getting authorized to ship ore’. As Baldy pointed out, what have you been doing for the last 32 months? What’s the date on your application to secure authorization to ship ore? I’m guessing it’s not 32 months ago. Why did you not make this request and secure this authorization 32 months ago when you told us you were going to ship ore to Enami while exploring the best method to process the ore?

Peter and Baldy have it right and I also agree. AURN still has the potential to put the mine into production and become a viable and profitable mining company. MC has tried to act in honest and open fashion with shareholders. However, for as much as they have promised over the last 32 months, the time still has been wasted as AURN could have put itself in a better financial position but chose not to without any reasonable justification. Leaving all shareholders looking down two options, 1) further delays to bootstrap operations, ship ore and generate revenue to self fund, or 2) dilution of current shareholder interests from continued borrowing from MC (and friends) or a third party.

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I do want to say, that I do not believe MC has it out for the shareholders and plans to screw us over anymore than we already have been screwed; however, I don’t believe any current path leads to any short term (2-5 years) appreciation of MDMN or AURN. MC started in a hole (no pun intended) and not being in a good position, has done an admirable job determining the depth of the hole and what’s needed to get out of the hole; but, IMO he failed to take steps to make the hole less deep. We are in the same position we were in 32 months ago, and probably worse due to the current economic client around the world. I still believe MC can get AURN profitable and mining, it’s just, still, IMO, going to take a long, long time from now.

I also want to say that I do not dislike any posters on the board or have hard feelings towards anyone here. I believe all of you bring different views, knowledge, and experiences which help all of us understand mining in general and AURN in particular. Just because I have a different view than some of you doesn’t mean I don’t respect your opinions.

I don’t know if I can add anything more than what I have until such time as AURN post some news which will actually have some beneficial effect to actually mining. I will check back into the board periodically. Until then, good luck to everyone’s investments which actually make money, stay safe, and healthy!

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Does anyone know how much MC is worth? Could he just decide to go all in.

We aren’t AUMC shareholders until we get the share distribution. I should say if we get the shares. Not a word from Mdmn about it. As I’ve said before these guys put a lot out there followed by fizzle out.
The dream is getting old and sounding more and more like repeat with different cast

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Well, Medinah’s website no longer exists :

Their last financials/disclosure :
2,882,282,073 shares (that’s 2.9 Billion shares)

Masglas Ltd. (controlled by Maurizio Cordova) owns 218,783,318 sh, 7.6%

Total Liabilities (Accounts Payable + Stockholder Loans) :
$395,090

At the current price $0.00095, that equates to 415,884,211 sh
So if AURNY does a cash call, This is what happens :

                      Dec 28, 2022  Jun 30, 2023

MDMN $0.00130 $0.00095
Debt $383,330 $395,090
=MDMN Shares 294,869,231 415,884,211
=AURYN Sh 1,647,525 2,323,674
AURYN Sh prev. 16,104,200 16,104,200
AURYN Sh (post debt pmt) 14,456,675 13,780,526
MDMN % of AURYN 20.65% 19.69%
MDMN % of AURYN prev. 23.01% 23.01%
Change -2.354% -3.32%

Let me know if I’ve made a mistake in my calculations.

Rod

Hi jak,

I read your post about being disappointed that Auryn didn’t ship ore over the last 32 months after stating that they INTENDED to soon be starting to make regular shipments to Enami. In the Jan. 3, 2021 quarterly update Auryn cited that they had mined 54 tonnes of ore FROM THE OLD WORKS (they hadn’t even started the Antonino Adit yet) that ran at over “two ounces” (62 gpt).

In the “OBJECTIVES” part of this PR, management cited that they wanted to start shipping ore to Enami and that the permit was “pending” at the time. They commenced the drifting of the Antonino Adit in Feb. of 2021. All the men and equipment headed to this site. In the “ACCOMPLISHMENTS” portion of the update dated 4/5/21, they said that they shipped 9 tonnes of ore under the temporary permit. They then said that they stockpiled the rest and that this ore was to be processed ONCE REGULAR SHIPMENTS TO ENAMI HAD COMMENCED.

Management THOUGHT that they were going to intersect the DL2 Vein quickly after commencing the drifting of the adit. Then they would be in a position to commence REGULAR SHIPMENTS TO ENAMI after the inspection by SERNAGEOMIN. The vein changed course from its original “dip” of 45-degrees to the NE at surface and it started going straight down. The intersection of the vein didn’t occur until Dec. 23, 2022 and SERNAGEOMIN didn’t sign off on the new ventilation system and safety egress chimney until just recently after the new “gallery” and “ventilation/safety egress chimney” was completed. This is 30 months after the commencement of the drifting of the Antonino Adit. ONLY UNTIL NOW CAN “REGULAR SHIPMENTS” BE MADE TO ENAMI. You can’t be producing and shipping from the “old works” when the men and the equipment are busy in the Antonino Adit.
From the 7/6/23 quarterly update:
“As announced AURYN sent 9 tons of ore to Enami for processing with a result of 45 grams of gold per ton. The remaining ore has been stock-piled and will be processed once AURYN begins regular shipments of ore to Enami.”

Auryn put the portal/entrance to the Antonino Adit right where it had to be. It had to be near the entrance to the North Road, at the 1,840 meters above sea level elevation and in a location such that the adit would bisect the vein so that 2 working faces could be simultaneously mined. The adit had to intersect the DL2 Vein underneath “Shaft C” of the old works. This way the 40-meter long “ventilation/safety egress chimney” would be sure to end up within the old works and not miss it to the NE or SW.
You probably remember the delays as they were being encountered. Three times management noted that they thought they intersected the DL2 Vein pending corroboration of a “DNA” match by the lab. Three times they hit nicely mineralized structures THAT WERE NOT THE DL2 VEIN. Management wasn’t interested in the other structures for two reasons. They KNEW how high-grade the DL2 vein was and they needed to intersect the old works which were also mining the DL2 Vein. They knew that intersecting the 7 vertical shafts and 5 chimneys already in place at the DL2 would bolster the ventilation system and provide a safety egress pathway that SERNAGEOMIN would sign off on. Once you have set the location of the “portal/entrance” to the Antonino Adit, you just keep drifting the adit UNTIL YOU HIT THE VEIN. If Mother Nature pulled a fast one, so be it. I don’t for a minute think that management tried to intentionally mislead investors. They wanted to commence production quickly as bad as we did.

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Over 4 million shares sold by one seller !

$3,622.50 worth.

Congrats to the buyer/s!!

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Why aren’t you buying? We could be congratulating you as well…

Presumptuous to think I’m not.

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I would think you would just say so instead of congratulating the new buyers. If it were me I would be embarrassed to admit I did buy more shares even at these prices. If it is such a great buy why aren’t there more buyers?