Auryn/Medinah - 2023 2nd Half General Discussion

To all you folks here…

I have deleted a post I put up earlier today which some of you have seen. As MDMNJaded responded initially, I interjected a response to my perception of what was going on. Clearly it was my perception and not everyone else’s. My mistake. I have removed the incriminating post and my proverbial nose from whatever the situation actually is. Since I am not involved in whatever is going on, and since it does not look at all like something I want to be involved in, I am removing myself from it hopefully with no damage done.

I wish you all the best of the holidays.

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TR.

I missed your post but clearly the analysis I have offered over the years is starting to have more of an emotional sting on some of the participants here. Regardless of the accuracy of said analysis. There is some understandable emotional fragility given the duration and direction of the underlying investment. A softer touch given the heightened sensitivities is something I need to accomodate.

I don’t mind being the punching bag to those who are looking to vent but I do encourage folks to spend more time to better understand the risk profile, challenges and realites of junior miners. As HurricaneR recently pointed out, the discussions of 60gpt to determine cash flows and valuation are so outlandish that they actually diminish the credibility of the investment and the ultimate hope of graduating from penny stock land. If Maurizio can generate anything north of 10gpt on a blended mining basis this stock could have some potential. Ironically, because of the euphoric predictions planted by some, 10gpt will create disappointment. This is not a healthy dynamic. Maurizio shares this viewpoint.

While it may seem like I have a personal gripe against the Doc, I’m simply trying to call him out for creating an unacheivable bar. I also believe that NOT attempting to speak to the company while constantly posting inaccurate forecasts is unacceptable. As someone who might consider initiating an investment at the right price I view his posting as extremely damaging to the legitimacy of the shareholder base. When it comes to posting on this board I take nor mean anything personally.

Suggestion: why don’t shareholders write a letter/email to AUMC (with as many shareholder signatures as possible) requesting a quarterly or bi-annual conference call so that they can participate in a Q&A? Most other public companies have quarterly earnings calls (less so in penny stock land). I can tell you that this call would be very “illuminating.” The bigger question, why would anyone NOT want a call for any other reason but fear of “foot in mouth”? You guys deserve some direct interaction with the company and, as I’ve stated, beyond being a nice guy Maurizio is a very thoughtful and transparent individual. Yes, he follows this board but No, he does not seem to share the same vitriol for the Bad Bald Eagle. Time to take off the kid gloves.

Investing is an objective sport.

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1st you call him a liar and know he’s a transparent individual. Which one is it?

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“In any EPS type of fraud on the market, there has to be a pivot point. This will signal the beginning of the collapse of the house of cards for the perpetrator. The victims of the fraud, whether they be investors in a company whose share price has been manipulated downwards or those convinced to sell their shares before the suggested impending apocalypse, will then realize that they’ve been duped. Then and only then, can the share price of the company under attack rally to fair market value.”

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I believe the company lied, misled, call it whatever you want, when they clearly stated in the August update that they were going to commence production. Are they allowed to change their mind based on new variables/facts without being labeled misleading? Of course. Does this make them a fraud? Of course not. However, the decision to alter the course of many years of guidance (shipping ore to Enami as soon as they were able) made in the October update was due to 1) the refractory nature of the ore and 2) the supposed $5k per ton economic impact vs. waiting to process through their own plant. Both 1 and 2 were factors that were 100% known when, three months ealier, they stated they would start shipping to Enami. This is not an opinion.Read the previous press releases, they disclosed the refratory nature of the ore and they disclosed the lab results and grades provided by Enami.

If I’m an investor who bought in September at higher prices based on the company’s guidance that I should be looking out for regular reports from Enami and then I learn in October that an entirely different direction has been choosen I would feel like I had been misled. If I’m a poster on this board who, once again, started blowing up balloons b/c the company clearly stated they were begining production (again) and then I offered dozens of posts referencing this being a 1 in 10k mining play, with a 35 P/E potential that miraculously was able to get into production without dilution, the August update would have felt very misleading (or aking to winning the lottery for one).

Right or wrong this change of dirction will lead to some dilution. That’s how you pay for a new plant. Will it ultimately turn out to be the right choice for the company? Maybe. Will another year and further dilution be the right outcome for investors? That’s for holders of the stock to determine. As someone on the sidelines looking for an entry point my perspective, and level of patience, will be different. As will my interpretation of what direction the company had decided to pursue.

My point on Maurizio’s transparency is that some folks could simply speak to the guy to bring their expectations to a more grounded level. Instead, they’d rather offer uninformed predictions on this board and try to defend the company from accusations of “fraud” when those accusations were never made (with the exception of Les Price, who was vehemently defended).

Blaming posters who have been accurately negative/cautious in their predictions for the current share price vs. accepting that they have been dead wrong in their predicitons while adding to a stock that simply reflects the real world challenges the company has faced over a looong period of time, is neither rational nor healthy.

Having a frank conversation with the company to discuss the opportunities and challenges and actually learning more about their investment is both rational and healthy.

Hello BB -
What exactly is an EPS Fraud?

Hi MDMNJaded,

In the study of Wall Street “frauds on the market”, these crimes are typically put into 1 of 3 categories with clever names. #1 is the “Pump and Dump”, wherein a corrupt corporate insider will get his hands on super-cheap shares, tell a bunch of overly positive lies on either press releases or on the Internet (the “pump”), and then sell the shares into the wave of buying induced by the “pump”, which is referred to as the “dump”.

#2 is referred to as the “short and distort”. Typically, “naked” short sellers that never executed a “pre-borrow” before making a short sale, as mandated by law, will try to cover their short position at low share price levels after flooding the Internet with false news about the company i.e. the “distort”.

#3 is the “EPS” or “Embedded Poop and Scoop”. This is by far the most heinous of all of the “frauds on the market” yet the least well understood. This typically involves a Wall Street participant, that secretly thinks that a certain company has a good chance of being successful, attacks this company (“poops” on it and its chances for success) on an Internet site WHERE THE SHAREHOLDERS OF THE COMPANY TEND TO CONGREGATE, like an investment forum. This is where the perpetrator “embeds” itself, among the intended victims. The fraudster doesn’t want to pay “retail” prices for the stock she or he secretly admires, but publicly attacks it. By definition, most of the attacks involve lies because remember, the perpetrator secretly wants to own shares of the company with certain assets and a certain management team. She or he feel “entitled” to be able to buy shares cheaper than Main Street investors. This is a common theme in the various securities frauds occurring on Wall Street.

The problem for both the company and its shareholders is that the perpetrator needs to convince existing shareholders to sell their shares. The most common argument is that the stock is “overvalued” at current prices. Getting naïve shareholders to sell their shares will obviously drive the share price down. But that’s where the heavy lifting really starts for the perpetrators of this particular fraud. Now they have 2 options, either convince yet more naïve shareholders to sell their shares at the all-time-low which is hard to do, or approach the company and try to convince the company to let them finance the company AT SHARE PRICE LEVELS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY MANIPULATED DOWNWARDS. Note the similarity to the wave of illegal “PIPE” (Private Investment in Public Equity) financings we saw many years ago on Wall Street, usually involving convertible debentures.

This is probably the toughest of the 3 types of frauds to pull off. The perpetrator, that is constantly deriding the company, its management, and its assets, needs to convince naïve shareholders of a couple of things. First, that they have a superior level of knowledge about investing or about the industry that the targeted company operates in. “Trust me, I’m brilliant.” They need to assert all kinds of accusations about the company or its management team, in order to induce the selling of shares. It has to be bogus because, remember, the fraudster secretly is just fine with the company’s assets and management team. The perpetrator simply refuses to pay RETAIL prices.

The behavioral disorder you see most in these fraudsters is Narcissistic Personality Disorder or “NPD”. Why is this? People with NPD are often habitual liars, sometimes “pathologic” and sometimes “compulsive”. “Pathologic liars” can’t help themselves. They’re “hard-wired” to lie if the truth were to reveal that maybe they’re not the smartest guy on the planet or in any given industry. That just cannot be allowed to happen to a person with “NPD”. Another trait they exhibit is the inability to sense that there are VICTIMS involved in these illegal attacks. That fact just doesn’t register. THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY BAD PEOPLE; THEY DO WHAT THEIR BRAIN TELLS THEM TO DO WHEN THEIR “SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM” PERSONA IS JEOPARDIZED. Are “hoarders” bad people just because they can’t pass up a garage sale even though they can’t navigate the hallways in their house because of the existing clutter? No, they too are “Hard-wired”.

Folks with NPD are the best perpetrators of EPS frauds. There’s so much lying involved that lying can’t be allowed to bother the perpetrator as long as the lying protects the persona that the fraudster is brilliant. Under those circumstances, lying is OK, it becomes almost existential. Victims, what victims? I’m ENTITLED to be able to buy shares cheaper than these illiterate mere Main Street mortals. This is my turf; I’m a Wall Street professional. If somebody presents themselves as a THREAT to projecting this persona, then that person needs to be DISCREDITED in a non-stop fashion.

As far as how the PIVOT gives away the existence of this fraud, if the fraudster successfully establishes a long position at bargain basement levels, then naturally they will want to make a 180-degree PIVOT and become a cheerleader, in order to drive the share price upwards. One day, management is a bunch of lying crooks and the next day they’re not half bad. One day the company’s assets are trash, and the next day the company has a serious shot at being a huge success. One day “Medinah is on the brink of being de-listed” and “I wouldn’t buy Medinah shares with a gun to my head”, the next day, “I recommend buying Medinah shares over Auryn shares.” He doesn’t want anybody buying Auryn shares NOW because he’s trying to buy a large block of them from management real cheaply.

After the PIVOT, the victims whose investment never had a chance of going up in price PRE-PIVOT, if the perpetrator is really good at what they do, then sit there wondering if EVERYTHING alleged over the last “X” number of years was all one big lie designed to make the Wall Streeter a bunch of money. The victimized shareholders are often left so dazed and confused that some of them just want out to end the frustration. The PIVOT is what informs the victims, whether existing shareholders or shareholders previously convinced to sell their shares, that they’ve been duped. How would you like to be an ex-shareholder that just got convinced by their “advisor” to sell all of his shares at the all-time low, only to see the “advisor” approach management and make a pitch to buy a block of shares out of the Treasury. On the next day, the “advisor” makes an Internet post “son of a gun, Auryn isn’t half bad after all and management has a solid plan to advance the company.” These people cannot visualize VICTIMS. Management doesn’t change its stripes overnight. The assets don’t change their value overnight. The perpetrator of the fraud changes its behavior overnight, and that’s when the light shines in.

In these frauds, you’ll notice that whenever POSITIVE NEWS is released by management, the perpetrator will IMMEDIATELY try to convert the POSITIVE NEWS into NEGATIVE NEWS before the shareholders are able to properly digest the POSITIVE NEWS. This way, both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE news result in share price depression. If this nefarious activity lasts for several years, and if corporate developments have indeed been POSITIVE, then there will occur a DISCONNECT between the actual value of the company and its assets and the market-determined market cap of the company. This is when OPPORTUNISTS, aware of these frauds, tend to show up, i.e. immediately POST-PIVOT.

If the perpetrator is not able to manipulate the share price down to the desired level, then things can get really crazy. If the perpetrator approaches management and says that she or he wants to buy a bunch of shares out of the Treasury (real cheaply) for his, let’s say, hedge fund clients, then in MID-PIVOT, you are exposed as being guilty of 1 of 2 things. You were either lying about all of those assaults on management and the quality of the assets over the last half dozen years OR you’re currently willing to take a client’s money and earn a fee, and then throw your client under the bus because you knew that management was a bunch of schmucks and that the assets are worthless. Pick your poison. PIVOTS PROVIDE SUNLIGHT IN A VERY DARK WORLD.

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BB. I managed to read most of your post. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I would encourage anyone who assigns even an inkling of a probability/possibiliyt to BB’s assertions as being accurate to go back and read both my and BB’s archived posts. Take a look at the predictions of mine and BB and then look at the company outcomes. This supposed EPS fraud would require the stock going down while the company has delivered. AUMC was supposedly a fully funded entity on the brink of production back in 2017. It doesn’t take some narcissistic bad guy with a decade long agenda of accurately forecasting negative outcomes to bring a price to zero.

Again, if you want to buy into BB’s theory you would have to believe that I’ve spent a decade trash talking a company to then scoop up a ton of shares.

The stock is zero (.0006). Am I waiting for the lats .0005 before making my move? LOL. My mission according to BB could not have been more successul yet where is the “pivot”. I own zero shares. I have not bought a single share in over 8 years and have been very transparent about what I was looking for before buying said shares. A cheap enough valuation and actual production. I referenced high teens (cents) in AUMC as a possible, attractive entry point. I have argued that AUMC and MDMN (until recently) were overvalued based on any absolute and relative valuation. They clearly have not acheived production. Recently I offered that “if you wanted exposure” MDMN was the better valuation. This was based on simple math AND gaining a better understaning of what is holding up the distribution. “If” you want exposure. Why would I push a positive narrative for MDMN if I didn’t already have a position and legally could not establish one under an NDA.

I became so fed up with the ridiculous claims being offered on this board that I agreed to sign an NDA, learn the facts and be bound by the restraints of possessing inside information. Meaning: I can’t buy nor sell (if I had any) shares. Not a great strategy for somone looking to “poop and scoop.”

Perhaps the better explanation is that I’ve stayed involved b/c I’ve always considered a re-entry. I’ve accurately highlighted what I viewed to be challenges. Just because I’ve been right does NOT mean that I have an agenda. In flipping the tables, BB has been pumping (consciously or not) for the better part of 3 decades. He adamantly defened Les Price when other shareholders were working to expose him. He’s destroyed 10’s of millions of investor capital by selling a “story” and now he’s articulating a fraud that doesn’t exist. All the while, the CEO of the company he bleeds for thinks the guy has lost his marbles. That my explain why BB doesn’t push for a call with the company but its not a good excuse in my book.

BB tried to play the “ahh shucks” bible abiding nice guy who sticks with a morale code of not personally coming after anyone. He broke this “code” when he came after me for exposing Les and he seems to be repeating this pattern with accusations of fraud and a personality disorder. Not very bible like but, as I said in a previous posts, I am cognizant of the emotional fragilities. I don’t take it personally but, then again, I didn’t buy 5 million shares every time a risk box was checked off (erroneously).

This line sticks with me. I would encourage you to maybe turn the tables and see if the description fits. I have no idea if you are purposefully lying or just grossly misinformed. Its hard to believe “you’ve just gotten it wrong” on almost all analysis presented to this board over 25 years. I stand by analysis. The results speak for themselves and are readily available and archived. However, I certainly don’t and never have felt brilliant for being involved in this investment previously, currnently, or in the future. It would be crazy to think otherwise. Get’s one thinking, no?

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Picking on BB’s decades long unbridled optimism seems rather hyprocital coming from someone who appears to have an equally peculiar obsession with this investment.

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Always so informative - thanks very much.

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Well. Following stocks is my job. I “obsess” and follow and invest in a lot of stocks. Its not like I’m a dentist. Admittedly the Miningplay has been a unque forum to measure investory psychology, which has clearly drifted more towards desperate optimism vs. a discussion of the merits of an investment.

When the conversation drifts towards bad guys and boogeymen to explain the poor price action of MDMN you know you’re in trouble. It reminds me a lot of BB’s previous fixation on naked shorting. Yet another story with a dead end.

One would think the LAST thing the “bad guys” spreading lies about the company would want is transparency. Yet, I’ve suggested that shareholders request a call with the company to get answers. TO BE CLEAR, my conversation with Maurizio was a positive one. I believe he has a positive message to deliver to investors who bother asking for real answers. No, I clearly never bought into the wild predictions of grades and cash flows so there was no disappointment. Also, TO BE CLEAR, I don’t own any shares of MDMN nor AUMC personally or through any fund I manage or through any family members and I’m not legally allowed to purchase any shares until the NDA is lifted.

Why not push for a call? Makes one wonder who is actually worried about pushing a false narrative.

BB’s analsyis on this “fraud” is consistent with all of his predictions: full of holes, logical inconsistencies and not backed by any real world facts. This is not a “story”, its an investment. Given BB’s solid grasp on geology I can only surmise that his focus on the story has led him to this unfortunate, financial (any psychological) outcome.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this most recent time you reached out to Maurizio represents at least the second time you were pitching a financing package to him? In the spirit of TRANSPARENCY that is.

I met with him in 2017 when the company was looking for money. I didn’t pitch him but rather agreed to a meeting at a conference we were both attending. We mostly discussed another project he was working on.

I spoke to him the other week b/c I was curious why they were changing direction and to gain further details on the path forward. Again, we mostly discussed another project he is working on (with great success). I assume the possibility of working through a financing option was on the table as the company has publicly stated THEY are “pitching potential investors.” I will not be involved in the current round of financing for AUMC.

What’s your point? Only investors capable of pitching Maurizio on a financing package have the ability to speak with him? Or maybe I’m speaking to the company to complete a decade long fraud of brainwashing investors into selling so that I could scoop up cheap shares. LOL. Remember that the running theory here was that the company would never have to consider financing b/c they were on the brink of production. The scoop would not have been possible if this played out. Maybe I brainwashed Maurizio into raising money. Or maybe, the running theory was and has been flawed from the beginning (as I have opined) and the market/share price is working through changing dynamics/realities as AUMC ultimately evolves into a small scale producer. Seems glaringly obvious but that’s up to investors to determine.

In fairness to AUMC and in respect to the NDA I will not comment any further on the topic. I have stated that Maurizio seems to be on the right path. I do not hold a position based on concerns related to valuation but (despite some misleading company updates) I’m rooting for his ultimate success.

It’s important to note that my main criticisms have been directed at the predictions made by posters on this board (grade, scale, financing, valuation, the importance of a resource, etc, etc). I’ve been cynical on many of the company directives (offtake financing, previous assertions that they were fully funded, the recent change of direction etc,) but that doesn’t mean that I don’t want Maurizio to succeed. I’m not interested in wasting my time following the stock and looking for an opportuntiy to establish a position if it looks like he’s never going to succeed.

Post the NDA, I will be happy to disclose if/when I start acquiring shares. It won’t have any impact on the stock(s). At this point Maurizio’s success in execution is the only factor determining share prices.

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Wow, you figured it out. Case closed, no further comments necessary.

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Exactly! Thank you. Its nice to finally have someone in my corner.

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Fwiw, I sent email to Mdmn questioning Aumc share distribution and received this the next day:

Hi Dan, we have not updated our communication with respect to allocating AUMC shares but goal has
not changed, its still good. However, its an expensive process and as you know so far AUMC shares are
very illiquid and AUMC shares its the only source of funds for MDMN. On the good side, AUMC have been
repotirng progress lately. Cannot give you any dates on this process but our objective has not changed,
thanks,

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Hi Dentman, thank you for contacting MDMN management. :100: Even better, thank you for sharing the info with civility … priceless.

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Since you’ve been in the fund business for quite a while, what would be a reasonable guesstimate of the cost for an OTC stock, like AURYN (on behalf of Medinah), to have Medinah distribute it’s AURYN shares to the Medinah shareholders.

Thanks,
Rod

In the ballpark of $150k

That’s a large amount for an OTC stock. What’s involved ? Lawyer’s fees, OTC fees, other fees, state fees ?

No wonder the small stocks are under pressure !

Thanks for the reply,

Cheers,
Rod