Auryn/Medinah - 2024 1st Half General Discussion

They wont be averaging 70gpt at scale because of the wall rock mixed in. 20gpt is a better bench mark and when the production scales, it will still be very impressive revenue numbers.

And you are making a very large assumption that there has been 35tpd stockpiled for 204 days. Id guess not even half that has been stockpiled and using 20gpt (much more realistic) then we are looking at a value somewhere around what we currently owe MC back.

This is why the stockpile is not serving as a legitimate form of collateral. And theres no way to estimate the grade of the stockpile, or else a financier would be very comfortable lending $5M-$10M

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I don’t think they are stockpiling since they said they’re in modest production
If they were stockpiling I would think they’d excercise fiduciary responsibility and show pics to shareholders
Not a word about AUMC share distribution
This smells bad

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Maybe MC, family and friends can go another 5-10 years without any results so they can slowly scoop up shares as us lowly shareholders die off.

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Thanks for your post BB, although I’m looking at another recent result from ore that may or may not be comparable. I recently talked about another narrow vein miner that has extensive infrastructure and already has reported its first gold pour last Oct but had a need for further funding as it came down the home stretch. This was unanticipated because it did a rather sizable “Bought Deal” last May. It took a terrible haircut last month on another comparatively small PP. I found this quite interesting and picked up quite a few additional shares mostly to average down. The long-term prospects for success are quite impressive. I should note that with commissioning of the mill, a modest throughput is anticipated for the three-month period from March to May. Everything takes time. I think the additional need for funding was not well communicated to shareholders, but I believe the main reason may be to further explore a a newly identified mineralized system in a nearby deposit where a very high-grade copper porphyry-style mineralization is located. Reminds me of the indication of a copper/moly/gold porphyry intrusive and gold mineralization across the entire Altos plateau. Hmmm

Anyway, the main point I wanted to bring up as I mentioned in an earlier post, WIZ had commented, “My understanding is that the rock between the veins is not sterile but low grade. Also, they are not including the “halo” in their measurement of width, as far as I understand. There is an area around the vein that is mineralized, just not to the same extent.” Of course, it was at Tuvatu, with feed collected from several access tunnels, predominantly stockpiled low-grade material used for commissioning, that was put through the mill before full production begins. Mill throughput of approximately 26,000 tons is anticipated for the three-month period from March to May. It will be interesting to see when results are reported.

In another narrow underground miner with similar high grade veins similar to what Auryn has reported at the Larissa and Antonino at the Fortuna discoveries, the following results were reported from three bulk samples collected over the past 3 years:

I think you can agree these results are quite impressive for 3 relatively small bulk samples. You can do the math. Will results from the Fortuna after a mill is permitted and built be comparable? I don’t think they need to be nearly as high as some projections may indicate, but can still be quite profitable. My rough calculation from the above reclimation bulk samples, simply as an example, yield about $46,783 per 20 ton truckload. It would take 214 truckloads, or about 4280 tons of similiar ore to reach that $10M dollar mark. It would be a modest amount of tonnage, already stockpiled, to cover the payback for the mill. Mining will cover the cost for labor expenses and additional equipment before a profit is realized.

I’m prepared to wait while I invest in some other speculative stocks with some discretionary funds. As unfortunate as it is, long ago I chose to put CDCH, MDMN and AUMC in retirement accounts, so I have little choice but to wait this one out and look for near term profits elsewhere. This is my situation and I realize not everyone has the same perspective for this stock as I do. I depend mostly on large producing miners with good margin before I remove this one from my sock drawer. There are several smaller producing mines with an ASCI less than $1,000 that are also high margin and worthy of accumulating. I think MC is doing everything by the book to salvage this one and make it a success for all shareholders when all is said and done.
EZ

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still no luck reaching management of the company for clarifications? pretty sad

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Hi DoneDeal,

In regards to your comment about any outside financing and the timing of its announcement, I’m going to guess that the new facility might be a bit more extensive than people might anticipate. The length of the permitting process would be dependent upon the extensiveness of the new facility. In one reference, management referred to it as a froth flotation plant. In another reference they referred to it as a “milling facility” when they said: “Management is also actively engaged in discussions and presentations with potential investors for financing the construction of a milling facility. This effort reflects our commitment to leveraging all available resources to optimize the value of our mining operations.”

A ”milling facility” might be a little more involved than a froth flotation circuit. To me, a “milling facility” might involve primary and secondary crushers, perhaps grinders, etc. The “flow sheet” that defines the most efficient way to treat the ore, will state the size of the particles that lead to the maximum recovery. Auryn has a jaw crusher on-site, but they may need to add a ball mill or a SAG mill to get the particle size to the optimal dimensions. For froth flotation systems, the average particle size deemed to result in the highest recovery rates is usually about 75 microns.

You could expect a back and forth between Auryn’s engineers and SERNAGEOMIN. Auryn might want a certain design that local regulations might frown upon. Before any financing is completed, all of the details need to be ironed out so that the financier knows exactly what it is bankrolling and how likely it is to be repaid on a certain timeframe.

I would anticipate them having a carbon in leach (“CIL”) circuit sitting right next door to the FF circuit but management has not commented on this possibility yet. The permitting process they’re going through with SERNAGEOMIN right now, will probably include every add-on that Auryn’s engineers might anticipate over the next decade or two. The FF cells are usually modular and made off-site and then delivered. The same is true of the “CIL cells”. Both types of “cells” can be added incrementally as the production rates increase as the various sub levels are commissioned. The roll out will no doubt be divided into “phases” but the original planning and permitting needs to be all-inclusive.

A ”positive production decision” has already been made, so we’re basically building a mine. You’ve got 5 other “Main Veins” to consider not to mention the Pegaso Nero, LDM, etc. There’s going to be an on-site lab incorporated into the complex. This will greatly aid not just production efforts but exploration efforts by either Auryn or any strategic alliance partner they might attract.

From a more macro point of view, what Auryn really has to do is to hatch a plan to monetize the various non-vein assets like the Pegaso, Nero, the LDM, the breccias, skarns, mantos, etc. Now would be the time to do it and have any future JV partners give their 2-bits worth on how the mill should look and function. I’m interested in what management meant when they made the above comment regarding “LEVERAGING ALL AVAILABLE RESOURCES” in conjunction with designing and funding the construction of the “MILL”. Exactly what “RESOURCES” that Auryn owns, are they going to “LEVERAGE” in this mill-building project? Auryn is not going to be able to MONETIZE these various other assets in a timely manner without a partner. There are just too many good prospects present at the ADL.

I’d love to see one of the ADL’s many deposit types thrown into the mix in regards to the mill financing. You give a JV partner a piece of the action on “X” asset in exchange for them footing the bill on the new “mill” and lab. A JV partner interested in one of the other ADL assets would almost insist on an on-site lab to streamline their exploration efforts. Everybody and their brother in the mining industry has vocalized their desire for GOLD-COPPER ASSETS. If there have been any secret admirers lying in the weeds, now, during the permitting phase of a mill, would be the time to chip in your 2-bits worth. We’ll see!

WHY ARE MY ESTIMATIONS OF GRADES AND PRODUCTION RATES HIGHER THAN OTHERS?

I have to go with the FACTS that have been presented both recently and historically and I have to trust the SCIENCE. I am well aware that the average grade being mined in similar “narrow vein” underground operations is only 4.18 gpt gold. I’m also well aware that this figure is dropping by 6% annually because of the lack of new discoveries. Since there is a time value to money, when given the option, miners are going to selectively mine the highest-grade ore they have access to. This is called “high-grading”. With the lack of new discoveries, most mines are “older mines” in which production grades have been plummeting over the years.

At the El Penon Mine, which we’ve been coached to use as a template for the DL2 Mine operations, Meridian Gold (and then later Yamana) were mining gold with a “head grade” of about 15-18 gpt gold, which is an incredibly high-grade of ore. Now their “head grade” is closer to 4 to 5 gpt gold. The Meridian Gold shareholders made a fortune back during the “high-grading” years. Auryn has a fresh mine, the artisanal miners skimmed 2,000 tonnes of extremely high-grade ore off the top which only amounted to about 5% of the vein structure. Auryn’s project is a bit of a hybrid. It is partly the recommencement of mining activities at an extremely high-grade gold mine and it is partly a new discovery, especially when you factor in the other 5 Main Veins.

The historical grades are what they are. For 30 years, the artisanal miners averaged 64 gpt gold with no beneficiation from things like froth flotation or CIL plants. Their technology was so bad that their tailings piles/discards still contain 14 gpt gold. Should we add about 10 gpt gold to that 64 gpt total to predict what Auryn might average? Although the artisanal miners AVERAGED 64 gpt gold, where they ceased operations, they were averaging 74 gpt gold at level 2 of the “old works”. Should we be penciling in 74 gpt gold plus another 10 gpt gold from the lousy technology and expect 84 gpt gold? We won’t know until we have some longer-term production statistics but you still have to be true to the history.

HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT AURYN IS PRODUCING “DIRECTLY FROM THE VEIN”?

What effect on estimated grades should this represent? In most underground vein operations, the miner is mining not only the relatively high-grade vein material itself, but they also are forced by necessity to mine some of the less well-mineralized “wall rock” ore. This is referred to as “DILUTION”. Nowadays, manufacturers produce mining equipment that is much narrower and thus the miner can leave the less-well-mineralized ore lateral to the vein itself alone. This increases the “head grade” of the mined ore.

Dick Sillitoe and Rob Cinits of ACA Howe both noted that the grades of the DL2 Vein were definitely improving with depth as were the widths of the vein. This is the hallmark of MESOTHERMAL VEINS that form way down deep in the earth’s crust. Should we add a “fudge factor” for this effect as Auryn develops the various sub levels under the current level 3? We might want to think in terms of the average grade being mined over the first 3 or so years of production by Auryn. I can’t guarantee any average grades over the first 3 years but I certainly can’t turn my back on the historical and scientific facts. This is not a tired old mining project in which all of the good stuff is gone.

HOW ABOUT AVERAGE PRODUCTION RATES OVER THE FIRST 3 OR SO YEARS OF PRODUCTION?

Auryn is now mining from the 2 working faces present on level 3. Soon they will be mining from 4 working faces on levels 3 and 4. Then they will be mining from 6,8, and 10 working faces on levels 3 through 7. This high level of SCALABILITY was provided by SERNAGEOMIN’S signing off on Auryn’s new ventilation/safety egress system.

CAN YOU VISUALIZE THE PATHWAY THAT AURYN APPEARS TO BE ON?

They’re mining extremely high-grade gold ore that is improving with depth. They have the ability to aggressively ramp up production levels over time. They are commencing extremely high-grade gold production at a time when the price of gold is at all-time highs. The potential is there to produce some extremely high levels of EARNINGS. Auryn only has 70 million shares outstanding. The potential for EXTREMELY HIGH EARNINGS PER SHARE are staring us in the face. Can there be any “guarantees”, of course not.

WITH ALL OF THIS AS A BACKDROP, WHAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING TO THE SHARE PRICES OF MEDINAH, WHICH OWNS 24% OF THE ENTIRE ADL MINNG DISTRICT?

Oh, not much, it’s only down 99%. Previous shareholders have been convinced to sell their shares and run for cover.

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I’ve already expressed my views on this many times over. Former shareholders (and frequent non-shareholders waiting for an opportunity to develop), that are looking for a quick payday when none may appear immediately, are likely to be disappointed. If a tax loss could be applied to their trading in the past, that was undoubtedly a smart strategy, but that ship sailed long ago. No further comment needed on how right that tax loss trade was. There is presently little liquidity in this stock, so unless someone is accumulating slowly with a long hold view, there is little to do here but watch and wait for news. (I have a very full position, quite overextended, so I trade elsewhere for active gains.)

Again, thank you BB for your very detailed views and opinions that contain a great deal of expert observations in general, benefitting our knowledge base for all interested in mining and geology. I have applied that knowledge and interest to some of my other investments, as well as anticipating future developments here. Thank you for sharing and answering other shareholders questions. Much appreciated!
EZ

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Wouldn’t count in it. No cash, substantial debt, permits not in place, equipment for "milling’ not purchased, and if and when, where does the cash come from ? Dilution or more $ from our angel (who’s already ~$5M in debt, which of course means more dilution). This stock is simply running on ‘pie in the sky’ metrics. And you are right, maybe in 5 - 10 years you might recoup. In the meantime, many great mining stocks that have great assets and/or are on there way building mills. For example IAU on TSE (Millions of oz’s Mill already set to go, exploration over the roof)

This talk is way out of line in the opposite direction of Doc. Reality is firmly in the middle of these two polar opposite viewpoints.

The fact of the matter is that Gold is at all time highs and the grade of ore is substantially higher than average mines across the world. This is the opposite of doom and gloom. Making arrangements to get into production in the most profitable fashion doesn’t just take a snap of the fingers. This has all the makings of being successful and profitable in due time. Even Baldy (the resident critic) has a grounded optimism in long-term success for MC after a private conversation. MC is not going to double down his already $5M investment if this were doom and gloom, quite the opposite. In fact, an anxious or concerned MC would be shipping ore to Enami to pay himslef back instead of patiently/strategically planning for a much higher payoff.

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I guess the good news is the first quarter of 2024 is drawing to a close in about a week - so maybe we can expect to get an update? Would be nice to see what’s going on and compare to Brecciaboy’s thinking. In the end, if it comes in half-way between Brecciaboy and Bald Eagle, we’re in for a nice treat. Just my opinion. If Bald Eagle is now even the slightest optimistic, that’s a huge change - maybe MC acknowledged some of Brecciaboy’s thoughts on the subject? Just saying - not gonna waste my time to go back and read. Nobody here has a choice except to ride it out and see what happens. Would love to get .05-.10 out of this one.

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I like the potential Upside Valuation! :grin:

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Do you want to know something really weird? What if doc is really a very responsible person and his actual prognostications are higher than he’s been saying?

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I don’t think anyone who isn’t willing to speak to the management of a company to round out their due diligence could ever be considered responsible. My hope is that Maurizio provides enough details in the next update to help investors realize that you are spinning a fairy tale. Not sure what is needed to get you back on the rails of reality but it sure would be beneficial for the stock, in the long run.

Enami is not an option. Nobody is targeting grades over 20gpt. Expectations for 10-15gpt, if met, would be considered a wild success. Plans for eventual production involve a very modest scale operation that, over time, will pay back Maurizio and help fund exploration targets across the asset portfolio. The preceding narrative did NOT support a $1 share price for AUMC but $0.25 cents could be a decent level to build on IF there is solid execution.

Pretending to know more than the market and leaning on conspiracy theories to excuse being down 99% is what is “weird”.

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:point_up: What is really weird is those that have no position here, have posted 50 times just this year, more than any other poster, apparently has nothing better to do. This same egocentric poster, NEVER misses an opportunity to criticize alternative opinions of what is possible, or even aspirational. You would think that those who have actual skin in the game would be allowed to post without this stalker-like behavior of constant harassment. That is what I consider really WEIRD! Seriously! :wink: :sweat_smile:

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Easy.

Feel free to vent. I understand your frustrations.

I guess it all about one’s perspective on “weirdness”. While some may think it’s weird to continue to sing the praises of an investment that has gone down 99% others may find it weird that some participants here are able to objectively provide an analysis while evaluating a possible point in entry. I’m not there yet BUT if I ever do get long the stock the last thing I would want are legacy pom pommers inaccurately pumping a false narrative. Toxic stuff

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I couldn’t agree more. But what you consider “weird” is what I also consider “desperately demented” beyond all reasoning.

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On a side note, someone has been accumulating the past couple weeks.

Probably Baldy :rofl:

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As of recent, it seems as though it’ll take a large pickaxe to acquire any significant amount of AUMC shares. :grimacing: You must be referring to accumulation of MDMN.

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Gold itching closer to 2200 before the weekend. It will be a nice start to the 2nd quarter with that happening along with a nice big update from the company. Let’s goooooo

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