Auryn/Medinah - 2024 2nd Half General Discussion

I wish you would stop calling the $5-$6 million that MC has invested as a debt of the company. It is not! If MC never pulls a dime out of the ground he loses his money. If AUMC ceased operations, we owe him nothing. I refer you again to the notes to financials ( related party transactions).

You have a tendency to always try and explain why the current stock price of AUMC is over stated while at the same time you try to explain why the current stock price of your companies are under stated.

Since none of us can control how the market will value our companies, let’s just accept what it is and strive to make our companies fundamentally more attractive so the market will appreciate what we’ve done.

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You can wish for the stock to be undervalued and you can wish for the $6M owed to Maurizio to be something other than debt BUT this amount is an IOU that has precedence over any profits being allocated to the company. This IOU is better than debt in that it doesn’t have an interest payment but its worse than debt in that ALL of the profits get swept to pay this obligation (vs. standard amortization of principle similar to the more recent $1M debt facility). You are correct that Maurizio will never get a time if the project doesn’t generate profits but, in this sceario, the company will be a zero.

I’ve had the “tendency” of explaining why AUMC was an expensive stock for the past 80% (of declines). Nobody can control how the market will value any of these companies but that doesn’t mean you can ignore what the market IS valuing AUMC and other comps.

You’ve made an argument that AUMC is cheap, I’ve provided my rationale for why I (still) believe its overvalued. One major caveat: not knowing exactly how this preferred dividend will work makes it impossible to know how overvalued.

My best guess on the likely cash flow waterfall:

Preferred div will get a fixed % of cash flows and then
Maurizio’s debt gets paid out and then
The balance is allocated to exploration

And what are the terms for that $5M and how much dilution to the company? Let’s see how similar it is.

I’ll disagree based on the track record of MC not harming shareholders to date on everything put in to get us to where we are. Will see when we get cashflow.

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I would hhave to agree with Wiz on this one.
Because we don’t know the exact contract or the full payback clause of the lender.
After over 40 years ownership of a corporation, there are alway startup hardships. If you take all the profits to repay yourself your company is going to struggle to get to a point your making good consistent progress.
I would believe that he would invest in the company first and take a small percentage to recoup his out of pocket expenses…
MOO of course

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I’m no Baldy sympathizer but you show up from hibernation and give attention to this?

Nobody knows what MC is going to do including you. Why don’t we stick to current events of THIS investments like what the hell are the actual terms of THIS financing arrangement! How could we even begin to compare that to Baldy’s reference if we don’t even know THIS investment’s debt obligation!

I put in a question to management inquiring if the financing is an arm’s length arrangment given we know nothing about this entity or what the specific terms are of the $20M dividend obligation. You passed on some insuations which were only mildly reassuring. How about you advocate that those very important questions be answered by MC.

Thank you

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Indeed. Seems like a big ask for shareholders to wait another year to understand if they get a slice of potential, future cash flows or if the next 5 years of profits are going to be allocated to the new lender and/or Maurizio. AUMC should dislose the details.

New money (of sane mind) won’t be willing to make that bet.

Either way, the next 10 months are going to involve a range bound share price and a few updates on (hopefully) progress towards building the FF plant. As I’ve expressed, even is execution if flawless, producing 3-5k ounces on an annual basis won’t warrant a higher share price.

Nothing more to discuss here until the plant is built, unless there is some sort of new twist. Masive bull market in the precious metals and the juniors are finally staring to get some love. Allocate your resources appropriately. See you next Fall.

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I personally don’t think anyone could answer the question of what are going to be the end terms.
Baldy’s correct in the fact that MC has invested about six million dollars, enough to get some other investers interested to invest more. I would think they are close enough that he could arrange a funding source.
But no one knows what’s the end result. The earth and the government regulations are always throwing road blocks. So who knows best and worse case scenarios.
It could be we don’t have to go that far in debt and can reimburse the lender in a charitable way, worse case, the mountain will give us a rough time, government permitting, contractors. There’s just so many things that MC might have to dip from the well to pay for, at least he has it if needed.
And like Wiz and Baldy said we won’t know how we will be paying these debts back until we see what kind of cash flow we are getting.
But i guarantee MC is not about to open himself up to micromanagement when there’s so many unanswered questions .

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They announced that they successfully closed a financing agreement. Are you suggesting MC himself couldn’t tell us? Are you suggesting the terms are still fluid? That only happens in an insider deal.

What the heck are you talking about? A different funding source as in a non-insider funding alternative?

Why? Isnt that the point of the financing?

That’s not how a non-insider financing arrangement works. There’s defined terms.

Releasing the financing terms isn’t micromanagement. If you are suggesting that demanding a disclosure to shareholders that this is not an insider funding arrangement is considered micromanagement, a large portion of these shareholders are going to lose all trust.

I see that Wizard liked the post. Clearly there is a back channel of discussion going on and a clear avoidance to address the elephant in the room. Its safe to consider at this point that this is not an arms length financing arrangement and MC will dictate how cashflows will be disbursed to pay himslef back and the financer (himself and related parties) as he sees fit.

You could have used those last 2 sentences rather than a multi-paragraph response to confuse the board. I’ll gladly translate to them as I just did.

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Let’s address the last thing first…
You are suggesting that I have had collaboration with other’s about this stock and it’s financial dealings when in fact I have not had any contact with Kevin since before he stepped in to save out stock… Not once have we spoken or otherwise.
I hold Kevin in only the highest regards and would never attempt to put him in a position or try to get him to communicate anything that he wouldn’t say to all!

The other point is you really need to realize what Baldy’s point has been all along … you are not going to get a conventional loan on this property without a drill and exploration project.
So what are your options?
I would THINK that MC had enough influence to ask some other investors to put up a loan so he and the board would be able to move forward.
This is what i would have done “conventional” no, “effective”, yes.
What dollar value is going to be used… No exact figue could possibly be forcast.
What are the exact terms of repayment…
Cash flow will probably be the determining factor.
I can go on and on about core drilling and when digging and construction started I opened up a hell hole, then the permitting and other government hoops I had to jump through to mitigate the problems…
No… my personal opinion is this is not a conventional loan and at this point I’m going to have to trust that the board of directors are first focusing on getting the mine up and running, second hopefully would be to ramp up production and then how to reimbuse debtor’s and keep a stable income for production.

If you read anything more into this than it’s all my personal opinion… Im Sorry
GC …

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JimmyP,

Common sense might suggest that when that which is being funded, an FF plant, is DIRECTLY able to help the funders get reimbursed because of the HUGE economic advantages it brings (a much lower AISC as a starter), that the terms shouldn’t be that usurious. Compare the funding of an FF plant with a funder providing funds for a diamond drill program that may or may not have favorable results and even if it did have favorable results, production might still be 8 to 10 years down the line. So, theoretically, the funding of an FF plant shouldn’t be that usurious relative to other uses of capital in the mining sector.

With the POG going nuts, and no guarantee that it will go up in a straight line forever, then time would be of the essence to get some money to the manufacturers of the FF plant ASAP, in order to get the ball rolling. This QUICK MONEY may not have as good of terms as more long-term money but since that which is being funded will directly help the funders get reimbursed, the terms shouldn’t be that bad. I could easily a bifurcated loan structure, with Term Sheet “A” in effect prior to the definitive permitting being in hand, and the funder incurring more risk, and Term Sheet “B” being in effect, once the funder is protected by the permit being in place. I could see where management might be hesitant to disclose too much UNTIL the definitive permit landed, lest they got accused of misleading anybody. In other words, management currently doesn’t know the exact terms UNTIL the definitive permit landed.

The question then arises as to whether or not “direct shipping” to Enami was a viable option or not. You have been told that it wasn’t an option because the DL2 Vein grades are mediocre and that the TRANSPORTATION COSTS were going to be through the roof. I’m going to suggest to you that the vein grades are anything but mediocre and the TRANSPORTATION COSTS will be dirt cheap compared to the average miner mining “average” grade ore.

TRANSPORTATION COSTS are one of the 7 categories of “ALL IN SUSTAINING COSTS” (AISC) to produce each ounce of gold by a miner. They are extremely tightly related to GRADE in an inverse fashion. GRADES in the top decile (10%) of all deposits, like Auryn’s appear to be, will likely have TRANSPORTATION COSTS in the bottom decile of all mining operations. You folks on this investment forum have been played like a fiddle in regard to these THEORETICALLY “massive” TRANSPORTATION COSTS that Auryn will be facing.

Kevin tried to tell us that Auryn had 2 options on the table in regards to funding the FF plant. #1 was to “direct ship” ore to the Enami smelter, for an undetermined amount of time, and cross fingers that Enami didn’t screw us financially. This was the “self-fund” option.

Option #2 was to go with an outside financier. This would be quicker and since the POG is at all-time highs, quickness is important. If the outside financier route was 1-year quicker, then the calculus becomes, how much money could Auryn make in that “extra” year of production, while using the FF plant.

The results of the smelting test done in Lima, Peru told us that Enami’s seemingly generous “settlement offer” to pay 57 gpt for the gold component of the ore (which is a HUGE amount compared to industry norms) actually only represented Enami paying 44-cents on the dollar, since the Plenge smelting test results showed that THIS VERY SAME ORE actually contained 128 gpt gold.

Since there is an undisclosed tonnage of stockpiled ore on-site, the question then becomes do you ship it, as well as other new freshly mined ore, and “self-fund” and plug your nose and take 44-cents on the dollar, or wait and run that stockpiled ore through a new FF plant and get about twice as much per tonne for it. The point is that there was a viable option on the table at the time. THIS SUGGESTS THAT WHATEVER THE TERMS ARE ON THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT AURYN DID ACCEPT, THEY’RE PROBABLY NOT THAT USURIOUS, EVEN THOUGH AT FIRST GLANCE THEY MIGHT APPEAR SO.

Enami’s “settlement offer” for the ore at the location where Auryn has been mining (on level 3 at about 1,850 masl) came in at 70 gpt “gold equivalent”, which included the extremely high-grade silver (978 gpt) and very high-grade copper (3.23%). That is a very significant offer, but again, only 44-cents on the dollar. The question becomes, which way should a BOD member vote, knowing that he or she owes the shareholders a fiduciary duty of care.

TAKEAWAY #1: Whether you look at the channel sample results of the DL2 Vein at the intersection point of the Antonino Adit, 164 gpt gold, or the results from the second channel sampling done near the same site, about 150 gpt gold, or the Plenge Lab results (about 157 gpt when you factor in the 128 gpt gold plus the silver and copper), or the “settlement offer” from Enami’s smelting of the “test batch” which came in at 70 gpt “gold equivalent”, AFTER ENAMI TOOK OUT ALL OF THEIR SMELTING FEES AND PENALTIES ASSESSE FOR IMPURITIES (which puts the pre-smelting grade around perhaps 140 gpt “gold equivalent”), THE GRADE OF THE ORE FOUND AT LEVEL 3 OF THE NEW MINE IS VERY, VERY, RICH. The post-intersection samplings of the DL2 Vein only confirmed what we already knew from the historical mining results of the artisanal miners. They mined 2,000 tonnes of ore from the upper/less well-mineralized aspect of the DL2 Vein, and averaged 64 gpt gold AFTER ENAMI TOOK OUT ALL OF THEIR ORE PROCESSING FEES AND PENALTIES.

If you study the press release regarding the funding with “STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS, SAC”, you’ll notice that the terms use two “up to’s” in the description. Auryn could draw down “up to” $1 million” through the loan facility, and “up to” $3 million through the preferred shares/cash dividend facility.

To me, this suggests that Auryn does not have the mandate to take the money and meet whatever repayment terms are in place, but instead they have the right to draw down on that facility, if and when they so choose.

Prior to all of the definitive permits being signed off on, I could see where a funder would be a little hesitant to act. Why would you hand money to a borrower with the intent to build an FF plant if the PERMITTING wasn’t in place. That would be ultra-risky and worthy of less lenient loan terms. But from management’s point of view, the POG is through the roof TODAY, and they want to get some QUICK MONEY to the manufacturer in order to get the ball rolling.

After the plant is built and/or near completion and/or the definitive permits are in place, then all of a sudden, the RISK to any funder drops markedly, and the terms would deserve to be much more lenient. Could this funding arrangement be set up such that “X” terms are in place during the pre-permitting stage and “Y” terms are in place post-permitting. Wouldn’t this be a good reason WHY management couldn’t release the exact terms of the deal lest they be accused of misleading shareholders or potential investors? If the permitting didn’t show up for an extended amount of time, then the more usurious terms might apply unless management found a better deal elsewhere in the interim timeframe.

Recently the Chilean legislature amended Rule No. 21,420 and replaced/augmented it with Rule No. 21,649 i.e. the Small Mining Producer’s Statute cited by Auryn in a recent update. This greatly streamlined the permitting process for Chile’s smaller miners. With its passage, I could see where a funder might be willing to go out on a limb and lend money for the construction of an FF plant to an Auryn-type company BEFORE its definitive permit for the FF plant landed.

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Thank’s BB,
I didnt have the time, energy or eloquence
:rofl:

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This is so rich. One could argue that anyone who’s been predicting production for over a decade might be the “fiddle.” Grades are through the roof, transportation costs are not a factor but AUMC decided to lose another 24 months of delivering on their promise (over the previous 5 years) to finally acheive production BECAUSE Enami wasn’t going to pay enough $$. And this decision was based on 200lb of ore taking directly from the vein (read: almost zero representation of what the mine ore would grade).

How about transportation costs at the Caren mine? Remember this:

During the past century Caren was an active Au-Cu underground mine of gold-copper veins. AURYN’s team resampled and mapped mineralized structures and old adits. We obtained encouraging bonanza gold results with values up to 124 g/t Au.

Metallurgical test over samples from the old Caren mine are in progress, and preliminary results demonstrated up to 85% gold recovery. AURYN is confident of reactivating the Caren’s mine during the first quarter of 2016, facilitating the cash flow for exploration."

If anyone has the time to review posts from 8 years ago they will read the exact same enthusiasm (from BB) on imminent production and cash flows. The cutoff grade at Caren was ~15gpt. AUMC was delivering 10gpt material. If transporation costs weren’t high how could the ASIC be sooooo expensive?? Same grades, same outcome, different decade, same fiddle.

You claim that raising eye watering financing was chosen over Enami because they wanted “quick money.” As in 24 month quick money???If the grades and profitability are anywhere in the ballpark of your “forecasts” there’s no way it would take two years of sending ore to Enami to generate enough profits to build a $3M FF plant. The logic is inconsistent.

Maurizio was trying to raise money by issuing shares, at a discount to current prices. Lack of interest forced a pivot to the current terms. If Enami was an option, as a fallback, it would have been tapped, given how long it took to land financing and how high gold prices have remained.

Even Maurizio has (told me) and would tell you that delivering ore to Enami is not economically viable. Wizard could but probably won’t confirm the same. The latest PR had no mention of sending material to Enami to take advantage of new highs in gold. What are they waiting for? The logic is inconsistent.

If anyone believed they could be consistently mining at 40 let alone 20gpt they would immediately begin sending ore to Enami BUT that is NOT what AUMC is targeting. At 10gpt, given transporation costs, it may not be economically viable (see Caren example).

Established, financially solvent companies may have the luxury of waiting 2 years to build a plant so as to avoid getting a haircut vs. what is owed (Enami paying 40 cents on the dollar). Companies like AUMC with no $ in the bank and increasing payables and minimal progress over the past decade jump on any opportunity to generate cash flows IF IT EXISTS. If it doesn’t exist they hold their nose and agree to expensive financing to reach a scenerio where they can generate cash flows.

Now you are claiming that the terms of the debt are going to get better as the project is derisked?? Static terms for a debt raise is “finance 101”. Yes, there will be contigencies to draw down the debt (like permits) but the terms do not change and, based on history, you really need to stop a) commenting on financial related matters and b) creating excuses for the lack of basic transparency.

There’s definitely a fiddle being played

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Quote from Baldy above:

“Maurizio was trying to raise money by issuing shares, at a discount to current prices. Lack of interest forced a pivot to the current terms.”

You’ve been making this claim for a long time. It is completely contrary to everything MC has been telling us.

Simple question for you. You state this as a fact, so when did MC advise you of this?

Just provide a date and I will contact the company to verify with MC if indeed he told you this.

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No offense Z but the last thing I need is to be linked to another uninformed shareholder reaching out to AUMC for rearview mirror clarifications. I’m not a shareholder but I do appreciate being able to speak to Maurizio on occassion to stay informed…

I’m no longer under an NDA so I’m free to discuss some of these things but, as a big heads up, the company publicly announced they were pursuing an equity financing. You are confusing what BB posts on this board and what MC has actually stated. There is nothing contrary to what I’m saying.

I’d also be suprised if MC didn’t readily disclose that they are targeting 10gpt. There is only ONE fiddle that seems to be fixated on the uber high grades.

I think Jimmy’s request to the company, asking for greater transparency on the recent financing is warranted but, if you pepper the company with questions that are actually answered in past PRs you run the risk of NO communication (** edit). I’d focus on the points that are relevant to the investment today and going forward.

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So, from that statement you infer that he attempted to sell common shares at a discount and failed!!!

***[edit out insult]

And you claim to manage a mining fund? Do your investors know the excessive amount of time you spend focused on a company you own no shares of?

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Yes, exactly, and that’s why I had to sign an NDA. So that I didn’t disclose my interpretation of a PR. ***[personal insult removed]

I spend 60% of my time on investments I don’t own. I appreciate these concepts are hard for you to understand but it takes a lot more work following stocks you may buy in the future vs .monitoring the investments where you’ve gained enough conviction to already pull the trigger.

I understand your frustration.

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Did it ever occur to you that equity financing might be the preferred equity that they came to terms on?

Of course not, that would not fit in to your agenda of trying to make MC and the company look like a failure.

Since you’ve admitted that your job is to research potential investments, then you obviously are much more interested in AUMC than you pretend to be through all of your negative posts! [**edit by mod]

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Reminder to post about the topic, not the personalities!

Indeed! Apologies

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