Auryn/Medinah - 2024 2nd Half General Discussion

I agree, that’s why it’s one of my larger positions! I’ll admit that I primarily picked it up early because the promise of Fruita del Norte being a success was too good to resist. It was well worth acquiring early on. By the way, Lundin Gold Inc. just received a nice upgrade this morning: “TD Securities raised its price target on Lundin Gold Inc. ( LUGDF ) to $27 from $24 on Tuesday.” It’s interesting to note they are still using the same flow sheet for their ore and plant design from 2016 as the one I demonstrated, with great success I might add. It’s a good thing that plant designs are somewhat modular and can be added to and upgraded as time goes on when needed expansions are in order. A thorough initial flow sheet designed for ore composition assists in this endeavor. Here’s a very brief summary what Lundin’s looked like before being built:

Operations has commenced with implementing a geometallurgical procedure for predicting plant metallurgical performance. Chemical analysis and assays, gravity tests, flotation bench scale tests, leach tests and environmental tests are completed at the onsite metallurgical laboratory. Any grindability, mineralogy, deportment studies or specialized tests are completed at external laboratories as required. The process plant has been generally treating ore feed grades of approximately 11 g/t Au and achieving approximately 89-90% average gold recovery.

There are several stages of grinding to optimize size for each chemical addition in the FF circuit. The gravitational split is for early debulking of the material being processed. I’m sure it’s no secret that the chemical analysis and assays, gravity tests, flotation bench scale tests, leach tests have been conducted during this relatively quiet period to optimize start up. Not showing that on your detail does not mean that it won’t exist as the project moves forward. It is greatly appreciated that you provided some anticipated cost projections to get started. Personally, I’m comfortable being here for the long haul and have faith that Cordova’s team will move as cautiously as necessary to assure success. :slightly_smiling_face:
EZ

I’ve read your post twice and honestly have no idea what you are talking about or the point you are trying to make. Do you?

A $3M EXTREMELY basic FF plant is what they are trying to pursue. My daughter could draw the flow sheet in crayons. If the company is able to raise $50-$100M in a subsequent raise you might be able to reintroduce some of your “technical”, mettalurgical/engineering buzz words that you found on Google.

One step at a him. Manage expectations. Allow the company to deliver “one in a row”

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Haste makes waste!
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EZ

This is getting really boring! Month late not getting anything from the company. Did the lenders leave the table?

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What makes you suspect that? Just curious, because just about everything communicated with us so far, the info regarding Auryn’s BOD, and details about Auryn’s various claims, are rock solid. All this permitting and signing deals takes time, I’m sure.

I don’t like waiting so long without info either, but I am glad we didn’t get yet another Shareholder Update that leaves us scratching our heads, while a few experts with in-depth mining knowledge kindly decipher the sense of it all. And after those updates, we’ve usually had more complaining and negative projections (with hardly any basis) flood the forum. Brecciaboy, EZ and a few others have advised us to be patient about info not yet divulged, essentially because it’s happening right now.

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No update, like they said they will do at the beginning of every quarter. A tweet saying we are still working on finalizing a binding contract will go a long ways.

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DD. As I posted previously, I believe the BOD was hoping to have a binding agreement in place before the next PR and have clearly struggled to get that done. IMHO it will eventually happen. I’m sure they will get something out re: early stage mine plan initiatives based on the $500k they have been able to draw on the debt facility. Couple more trucks, a camp, etc, etc.

To claim that previous PRs have been “rock solid” is truly a gem. These would be the same PRs detailing production with shipments to Enami and imminent cash dividends over the past 5 years. Rock solid indeed!! Time to grow up folks.

A few details om $$ spent to build a camp and buy some equipment to prep for tje FF plant should be welcome update, baby steps.
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Set a calendar update for 9-12 months from today. Hopefully we will have some “meat” at that point

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I’d like for Wiz to post confirming this is in NO WAY an INSIDER DEAL. If we don’t get confirmation of that in some fashion, many of us will assume it is. You don’t pay $20M to borrow $4M, especially without even considering a raise from a loyal stuckholder shareholder base. Makes zero sense.

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Here’s the “gem” of the week, supposedly. What I stated above is fundamentally true. The stated goals from the more recent updates, ever since Auryn brought on necessary experts, are now being actively pursued. Nobody can flat out deny what claims Auryn has outlined since reaching the DL2. Yes, rock solid. The stated goals are real. The experts on the BOD are real, including those who provided Auryn with important tools & data they needed.

Feedback from Chilean authorities/entities have been very positive. Any intelligent shareholder can see that these goals will be reached, albeit with a few tweaks in the process. Obviously, tweaking is required to interweave multiple goals simultaneously for a desired outcome. They cannot spell it out before it’s finished. Time to graduate from romper room and projected hindsight. They’re working to complete several stated goals all at once, imo.

ALSO … Let’s not take this out of ‘CONTEXT’ the way some ppl tend to do. This statement was made to contradict the negative tendencies we have to associate a period of silence as if something horrible has gone wrong … and only King Kong can fix.

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Hi Jimmy P,

Here’s an exercise you and the other forum participants might want to engage in to gain some perspective and hopefully some peace of mind. You might want to go to theminingplay.com and find the introductory page. Scroll down to “2022 2nd half general discussions” dated Dec. 2022. You’ll see a picture of “the wizard”. Click on it. You’ll get the wizard’s (Kevin’s) page. Click on “activity”. This will get you to Kevin’s most recent posts. Kevin refers to himself as a “shareholder advocate” for all of us, and he has been just that. Nowadays he’s a big wig with Microsoft in their AI department and is a less frequent poster. He is the ex-ceo of Medinah and he and Maurizio are close friends. Kevin is plugged in, and Maurizio looks upon him as a valuable resource, as too should we.

If you hit the blue link, you’ll see the posts that kevin is responding to when he made his various posts. In kevin’s most recent post he says “front channel-it’s not permanent”. This was in response to a “back channel” comment made by baldy that the funders were getting a permanent piece of the action, even after 5 years, that was going to be very dilutional to the Auryn share structure.

Kevin is saying that this rumor is false, there is no permanency to the funder’s role after they either max out or the 5-year term lapses. They have 5 years to earn a maximum of $20 million for doing the funding. The rumor that this funding deal was going to heavily dilute Auryn’s share structure was also incorrect.

I communicated with Maurizio immediately after the funding PR came out and Maurizio stated, in no uncertain terms, that there are absolutely ZERO common shares involved in this deal, no permanency to this relationship, and ZERO dilution. You people need to figure out for yourselves why every time news comes out, somebody finds the need to put a negative spin on it without bothering to find out if what he is stating is true or not. Kevin has many times engaged the party starting these negative rumors typically asking why this party needs to constantly “cast a shadow” on everything Auryn does.

Kevin’s post before the once cited stated, “Dividends - that means earnings / free cash flow. ”. Here he is informing us that if the funders are going to get cash dividends, that means that Auryn is making money from operations. That would be a good thing. No profits, no cash dividends.

The deal structure suggests that the funders are betting heavily that there will be profits. The question arises as to what they know that we don’t know? They were given access to the “DETAILED CASH FLOW ANALYSES” that Auryn’s BOD recently completed and that was referenced in a recent quarterly update. We shareholders do not yet have access to these cash flow projections. Recall that Auryn recently suspended their mining (“directly out of the vein itself”) and stockpiling efforts in order to focus their financial and time resources on preparing this document and presenting it to the funders.

In kevin’s post that preceded that one, which is the most important post of all, he said, “By the way - if they’re able to get a 5x return (capped) in 5 years, think about what that means for us.”

What this suggests is that the funders are getting a percentage of the amount of cash being dividended out to us shareholders and conjointly to the funders. It also suggests that we shareholders are going to get the lion’s share. This means that there is going to be a “split” in our favor. Let’s say its 80-20. If the funders are going to hit their $20 million “cap”, that means that we shareholders would be sitting with $80 million worth of cash dividends in our jeans on the day they max out, if they were to max out. The Medinah shareholders would get a little less than 24% of that $80 million. Keep in mind that Medinah needs to retire its debt by selling some of its 16+ million shares of “AUMC” prior to the allocation/distribution process.

If the “split” were 90/10, then for the funders to max out, the Auryn/Medinah shareholders would have received $180 million. We don’t know what the “split” is and we don’t know if the funders will hit their “cap” or not. All we do know is that, clearly, the funders would have to be anticipating serious profits/cash dividends prior to signing off on a deal structure like this. But, again, we don’t know all of the details yet.

Maurizio, Isac and Mark designed a “WIN-WIN”. They essentially said, “You funders are going to make a fortune IF AND ONLY IF, the shareholders make a quadruple fortune”, in the case of an 80-20 split or a 9-fold fortune, in the case of a 90-10 “split”. The funders have been issued a gigantic INCENTIVE to make Auryn super-profitable as soon as possible. A well-designed deal will spread around plenty of INCENTIVE to all concerned.

If I were a funder and I looked at that hypothetical 80-20 split and the fact that Auryn only has 70 million shares outstanding, most of which are RESTRICTED FROM RESALE BY RULE 144, and if I got ZERO common shares out of the funding deal (perhaps after they pounded the table to get some common shares but failed to do so, we don’t know) I would say to myself, I’d sure like a portion of that 80% of the dividend cash pile in addition to my 20%. I’d also like to get some exposure to the share price appreciation that might be associated with Auryn being able to declare and distribute generous cash dividends.

Why is this? It’s because if Auryn finds itself in a position to declare and distribute, let’s say, $100 million in cash dividends, then they must have locked in a minimum of, let’s say, $120 million in AFTER TAX PROFITS by then. Some profits would obviously be kept in house as retained earnings and probably put into the project to make it even more profitable. The first thing I’d spend retained earnings on would be a “jumbo” drill rig which would probably double the existing production rate.

LET’S DO SOME MATH

If, hypothetically, Auryn had profits of $120 million over 5 years, this would represent an average of $24 million per year. If Auryn made $24 million in a year, this represents 34-cents per share in earnings ($24 million divided by only 70 million shares). In the mining sector, companies trade at an average “multiple” of 30.21 times their EPS. This is from a recent survey done by the Stern School of Business at NYU. You do the math (30.21 times $0.34) is where Auryn SHOULD THEORETICALLY BE TRADING in this type of scenario. If the funders hit their max in less than 5 years, then the profits would have been even greater than that $24 million per year figure. But who is to say that the funders are going to hit their “cap”? Nobody is saying this. Counterintuitively, the Medinah and Auryn shareholders would be hoping that the funders do indeed max out. Imagine that, business partners rooting for their partners to be successful.

The funders are smart financial people. They can see that the big bucks (and the quick bucks) in this type of scenario are going to be made IN THE MARKET and not just via cash dividends. That 70 million shares outstanding figure is Auryn’s ace up their sleeve. However, it means absolutely nothing UNTIL production commences and profits are generated. Up until that time, Auryn would be looked upon by most as just one of 2,500 other junior mineral explorers/developers worldwide trying to make a discovery and get into production. As far as getting an extremely high-grade gold project into production at a time when the price of gold is near all-time-highs, well that adds a little sizzle to the equation.

On Aug. 10,2023, Kevin posted this:
“Dang. Too bad this wasn’t suitable for gravimetric processing. Goldlogic’s website and approach looks like it would have been a major win AT 2 OUNCES PER TONNE (my emphasis). Oh well. Now they’ll either finance and build the mill quickly, or bootstrap from production and take a couple of years. Either way- hitting the DL, achieving ventilation, and starting small scale production is a win. It should cash flow itself form here, even if it is slow”.

Note the “2 ounces per tonne” grade referenced. This is 62 grams per tonne. That is some extremely high-grade ore that Auryn could have been feeding into whatever type of gravity concentration plant that GoldLogic was insisting on Auryn using.

As it turns out, the DL2 Vein ore present at level 3, responds much better to the froth flotation process than to whatever type of gravity concentration device GoldLogic had in mind. That’s fine, they’re both INEXPENSIVE methodologies to recover the gold (in addition to the silver and copper) in the ore and at the same time remove impurities. The average cost worldwide for froth flotation is only $10 per tonne and that includes CAPEX and OPEX (operating costs). The average froth flotation facility pays for itself in 158 days.

Kevin also referenced, “hitting the DL, achieving ventilation, and starting small scale production is a win.” They didn’t just “hit the DL”, THEY SUCCESSFULLY INTERSECTED THE DL2 VEIN AND THE FIRST 2 GROUPINGS OF “CHANNEL SAMPLES” REVEALED GRADES OF 164 GPT GOLD AND 150 GPT GOLD. This was later corroborated by a smelting test OF THE VERY SAME ORE FOUND AT THE INTERSECTION SITE, done by the Plenge Lab in Lima, Peru that revealed 128 gpt gold NOT COUNTING THE SILVER AND COPPER CONTRIBUTIONS. Again, at a time when the price of gold is trading near or at all-time-highs.

Where Kevin referenced, “achieving ventilation”, this refers to Auryn’s successful intersection of the 7 “ventilation raises” and 5 “ventilation chimneys” that the artisanal miners at the ADL had constructed over 3 decades. With this new “ventilation/safety egress system” in operation, Auryn can now safely exploit the various sub levels underneath the current “Level 3” and thereby rapidly ramp up their production efforts. Mining investors want the potential for “DYNAMIC GROWTH PROFILES”. When these are present, the share prices of the miners with them tend to get assigned richer “multiples” of EARNINGS PER SHARE.

As you can see from Kevin’s postings, Auryn’s options are to finance the FF plant and build the mill QUICKLY OR ship the ore to Enami for a couple of years, accumulate some cash, and pay for the plant out of profits. With the current price of gold at $2,400 per ounce, you could see why FINANCING THE PLANT might make good sense because you could generate a lot of profits in that EXTRA 2 years of production associated with doing a financing.

The reality is that there’s no guarantee that $2,400 gold will last forever. Recall the approximately $5,000 per tonne “DIFFERENTIAL” between what Enami was willing to pay Auryn for “DIRECT SHIPPING” their ore to the Enami smelter (about 70 gpt “gold equivalent”) and what the Plenge smelter test results revealed (128 gpt just for the gold). Leaving that kind of money “on the table” would be a difficult pill to swallow. Why Enami would only pay 57 gpt gold (plus another 13 gpt “gold equivalent” for the silver and copper) for 128 gpt gold is a bit of a head-scratcher but it is what it is.

To most miners, Enami being willing to pay 70 gpt “gold equivalent” for their ore shipped directly to the Enami smelter (without any pre-processing), would be a godsend. For some reason, or perhaps for 5,000 reasons, the Auryn BOD said “no, thank you, we’ll do our own ore processing on-site” and sell a highly-enriched “float concentrate” to the highest bidder.

With the Enami option on the table, you’d have to think that it would take a pretty good funding offer to say “no thanks” to the Enami offer, but that $5,000 differential plus 2 extra years without an FF plant seemed to make the difference. It will be interesting to get a glimpse at that “DETAILED CASH FLOW ANALYSIS” that the funders got a view of.

Characterizing a deal structured like this as Auryn paying $20 million for a $4 million loan is absurd, without knowing all of the details. Again, we need to wait for Auryn’s detailed explanation of the exact terms of the deal. Accusing management of dealing in a “non-arm’s length” fashion (self-dealing) because of the tiny portion of the terms revealed to us, is equally absurd.

Obviously, management can’t reveal the full terms of the deal until it closes. Imagine if the details were revealed prior to closing, and the Auryn share price took off, and then there was a hiccup somewhere and Auryn had to retract the press release. Management can’t risk that. Look at the curriculum vitae of the 2 new BOD appointees. Do you really think they’d approve of a “not at arm’s length deal” on their watch?

The Medinah and Auryn shareholders get 2 separate kicks at the can i.e. CASH DIVIDENDS AND SHARE PRICE APPRECIATION. These 2 are linked. The generosity of the cash dividends will depend on profits. The level of profits, in turn, will be determined mainly by GRADE, the efficiency of the FF plant, the price of gold, and the ALL IN SUSTAINING COST (AISC) per ounce of gold produced. By definition, the AISC per ounce produced, for extremely high-grade ore is extremely low. This means that the MARGINAL PROFITS, per ounce produced, are extremely high, relative to average grade mining operations.

The amount of share price appreciation will be partly determined by the level of generosity of the cash dividends, as a percentage of the share price.

It doesn’t matter if you’re selling “widgets” or an extremely high-grade “float concentrate” containing gold, silver and copper. A situation like this might appeal to a lot more than mining investors. In the U.S., “qualified cash dividends” are treated very favorably by the IRS. What investors want to concentrate on is “after tax income”. Note that the funders opted to be paid via “cash dividends” for the role they played, not via principal and interest.

From my point of view, the key point in regards to this funding is no new common Auryn shares being issued. As Maurizio has promised in the past, that 70 million shares outstanding figure is not going anywhere. Even a moderate level of earnings can generate a robust EARNINGS PER SHARE figure. In this case, think of EARNINGS PER SHARE as potential CASH DIVIDENDS PER SHARE.
Maurizio has built a nice network of “dominos” that just need the lead domino (officially going into extremely high-grade “float concentrate” production) to be toppled. Getting SERNAGEOMIN to sign off on the new “ventilation/safety egress system” is a wonderful accomplishment. Now Auryn is in a position to RAPIDLY RAMP UP PRODUCTION LEVELS by simply developing the various sub levels under level 3. Until the FF plant is built, however, it just stands there as a nice-looking domino.

The same is true of the 70 million shares outstanding figure. It represents a wonderful accomplishment and a nice-looking domino but, again, until the lead domino is toppled (going into production), it just stands there unnoticed by anybody. When you’ve got some “EARNINGS” to put above that tiny number of “SHARES” figure in the denominator of the EARNINGS PER SHARE fraction, then people will take notice. The same holds true for the price of gold being at all-time-highs. Unless you’re producing some gold, it doesn’t matter. It’s just another good-looking domino.

The GRADES of the ore to be mined represents a gigantic domino. If your grades are in the top 5 percentile of all deposits, then your AISC will likely be in the bottom 5 percentile. Therefore, your MARGINAL PROFITS will be in the top 5 percentile. But again, nobody cares until those fancy grades get MONETIZED. Is the funding, permitting and construction of this froth flotation plant a pretty big deal? Ummmm, I kind of think so.

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Have not been paying much attention the last couple months just happen to open my Charles Schwab account today and noticed that the price of MDMN has gone down to zero. Is that correct? Can someone update me as to what happened?

Hi Tree Ghoul,

Medinah is currently a “holding company” with no mining operations of its own. Medinah “holds” a little over 16 million shares of Auryn (“AUMC”). This is about a 24% stake in Auryn’s shares.

Medinah is in the process of allocating/distributing those “AUMC” shares to its Medinah shareholders in a pro rata fashion. Since Medinah still has about $400,000 of debt on the books, they will need to sell a few of those shares to retire its debt. Management of Medinah would like to wait for the share price of Auryn to go up first so that less Auryn shares will need to be sold to retire the debt. This will leave that many more Auryn shares to be distributed to the Medinah shareholders.

For years, Medinah has kept “current” with the information disclosure mandates of the OTCMarkets “Pink Sheets”. Since Auryn is already filing their required disclosures to the OTCMarkets, it seemed a bit redundant for Medinah to pay an account and a lawyer to continue to file the same basic information every quarter. So, Medinah opted to do what is called “going dark” and not file these quarterly disclosures in order to save money since Medinah is about to shut down the company anyways (I presume).

When you “go dark”, the OTCMarkets puts you on the “Expert Market” where there is essentially no trading but at least you’re not racking up any more debt. There are 3,300 corporate issuers currently “sleeping” on the “Expert Market” until they make their next move.

If you want to value your Medinah shares indirectly, since about 200 shares of Medinah will need to be tendered in order to acquire each Auryn share, then if you take one-2 hundredth of the Auryn share price it should approximate the value of your Medinah shares. When Medinah went dark, they were trading at $0.0012. The idea is to wait for Auryn to make some kind of breakthrough, like permitting, funding and building their new froth flotation facility, which would hopefully enhance the share price of Auryn, allowing Medinah to retire its debt and finish the allocation/distribution. If you hold your Medinah shares in “street name” at a broker/dealer, then I don’t believe you’re going to have to do anything on your part. This is usually accomplished by making a “journal entry” by the b/d. About all we can do now is to wait for a press release from Auryn.

I communicated with Maurizio about 10 minutes ago, Auryn is waiting on the regulatory approval for the new ore processing facility from the various powers that be in Chile. The slow pokes are typically the environmental guys at “SEIA”. They put out a press release last January stating that they intend to shorten their turn around time by 24% via some changes they are making. Historically, in Chile, there are several different government entities that do the exact same thing and they tend not to communicate with each other very well.

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Thank you Doc! Is this one of hold ups on why they haven’t released the quarterly update? How about the contract is it binding now or are they still waiting on that to be finalized? Since you have open dialogue with MC maybe you can ask him.

It will also be very helpful if you could confirm that amazing datapoint you got out of him earlier: are they really selling a froth concentrate from the FF plant??

While you’re on a roll ask about AUMC’s targeted avg grades for their mine plan(I believe 10gpt) and why Enami was never an option. Can you imagine how much money AUMC would have made by sending 60gpt material to Enami over the past 18 months??

It’s always more fun to get actual, relevant datapoints….assuming you are actually speaking with him. However, it’s very difficult for me to believe you are engaged in a conversation given some of the crazy theories that are peppered thru your posts

Either way, still need “one in a row” with the announcement of a binding agreement. They clearly believe they are very close otherwise they already would have put out a PR.

My guess, is that they will be forced to say something this week either way. Permitting and then building a plant of any size always takes longer than planned.

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Yes BE, very predictable response from you as usual.
Are you referring to the very detailed thought provoking posts provided by BB? You know, the ones you’ve stated you rarely read thoroughly? Shareholders here actually have money sitting on the table here, wheras, you left with a great monetary loss years ago! I’m sure that has nothing to do with your comments, right?

Back in Jan 2022 WIZ responded to one of your typically obnoxious posts, Baldy, saying:

You are cut from completely different cloth and look at the world differently than MC. I don’t think he’ll be following your advice. LMAO.

I appreciate how you take my comments and reflect them in the worst possible light to cast as much shade as possible. Why not instead take them in the spirit of which they were made? ….

You’re my favorite troll - easy to draw out - and predictable as a broken watch. ! :slightly_smiling_face:

It’s hard to believe you actually ask “are they really selling a froth concentrate from the FF plant??”
What is it you expected them to be selling as the end product of the process employed? You truly are here for entertainment purposes as you once professed! :wink: :sweat_smile:
EZ

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I clearly overestimated your ability to recognize sarcasm. I was simply joking about this tasty tidbit, directly from Maurizio’s mouth (!) offered by your MDMN guru in a previous post.

Yes. The ONLY thing that could be sold from a FF plant would be a concentrate.

While I have no doubt that Maurizio relayed the same to BB but, if you read my post, I highly doubt that they have an active dialogue given some of the other “projections” offered on this board. I don’t believe Maurizio would be shy in sharing a mine plan that is targeting 10gpt nor the fact that Enami was not an economic option. Based on some of the comments here, investors should be expecting 100gpt+ material, massive dividends, and Enami as a “fallback option.” I can’t disagree that these points are “detailed and thought provoking” but that doesn’t mean they have anything to do AUMC’s prospects, in the real world.

It is entertaining to read your attacks on my decision to sell 95% ago as though that gives me less credibility in the analysis I offer here. I think you said, “you’d have more respect for me” if I had made the decision to hold and suffer through these losses. Somehow that doesn’t suprise me.

Its unfortunate that Maurizio didn’t take my advice back in Jan 2022. MDMN is down 75% from that date (AUMC down 50%) and the elusive dividends don’t appear to be any more imminent from that date. Its also unfortunate that this “broken watch” appears to be a lot better at predicting the time.

I like Maurizio’s current plan, even with the actual mining inputs (scale, grade, profitability). Happy to watch from the sidelines until there is a lot more visibility on progress. Happy that my money isn’t tied up. I appreciate your frustration but don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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Baldy,
Maybe you’re just not that funny or entertaining as you may think! :upside_down_face:
EZ

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Hello, could someone please give me a short response to where we are with this stock. It can be very brief.
I also have MDMN shares with Schwab still or are they all gone? I just don’t have to time to read all the posts. Thanks in advance.

We are waiting for the conversion of MDMN shares to AUMC shares. MDMN only trades in expert market which is closed to most of us. Just waiting.

Whoa, boy… This gonna take some ‘splainin’ for my little brain…

A book keeping nuthin’ burger…?

– madmen