Auryn/Medinah 2025 1st half General Discussion

We’re approaching a decade, yes a full decade since Auryn took over. And they recently allowed our money to be put to sleep with MDMN going dark. Nobody needs to grow up. AUMC needs to freakin produce, period! And since they went the full decade bootstrapping and continuous delayed route, they better produce in spades. Thats what any level-headed shareholder should be demanding.

Before anybody starts spouting off about its not Auryns problem that MDMN has a major regulatory issue to distribute shares, HORSE S**T! Medinah handed the property over to them, so perhaps we should have gotten some dam assurances that our equity could get transferred without these massive regulatory impediments before we handed them over the keys. Can someone tell me why Greg Chapin has not been completely bankrupted for his negligence in all of this? What happened to the legal judgment against Les Price? Was his estate tapped into for the damages? Why doesnt a representative of Medinah step up and tell us something. Why do we need breadcrumbs from Wizard? Embarrasing.

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For anybody who’s slogged thru a mill construction/commissioning of a plant this statement is indeed pretty confusing. I’ve never heard of waiting for a permit AFTER starting the stage of processing ore. There may be a simple explanation but AUMC has provided so few details on the process that they generate more questions vs answers. I’d be happy to provide an example of what a “normal” public company would provide as they work thru the process of building a plant. It’s worth noting that the weather this time of year makes it almost impossible to begin construction until May and then they have to get everything done before winter kicks in. The roads are the other biggeee but this will become an annual maintenance and there will inevitably be long stretches during the winter when the roads are impassable.

I find it a bit odd that you are roasting folks on this board for being skeptical. Each subsequent PR has pushed the start date further down the road. Permits later in the Q3 means production, at the earliest will be Q1 2026. They original targeted around now (May?). If you don’t underhand the difference b/w commissioning and production you’d be well served to look it up.

All the above being said, the progress they are making is a lot more interesting to follow vs chasing and losing a vein. As long as they begin production before getting too far in the red (debt) they have a chance to build into today’s valuation over the next few years. Reaching 3000tpm would certainly accelerate the timeline .

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I’m reminded of the many times Medinah & Auryn used the term ‘imminent’ . We’d have a lot of debates about the actual meaning of the word vs. what they meant by using the word. Alas in this case, it means probably Q3 2025 to Q2 2026 !

Yet I’m still worried about the MDMN share exchange (when & what ratio [after paying back the money lent to MDMN to keep them afloat] )
& the timeline to AUMC becoming FREE Cash Flow after paying back the ~$26M debts & working capital (which includes paying the workers, BOD, building supplies, equipment leases, etc.). At that point probably 5 (or many more years away), a Dividend to shareholders (which would definitely go to AUMC holders first) & perhaps MDMN shareholders AFTER the share conversion.

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Good post, mrbubba. Your emphasis on the beginning of Q3 (July) to the end of Q3 (October) also indicates that the winter months are not a significant problem for them anymore. Maybe if they get a massive snowstorm, but that will only be a temporary slow down.

Previous Updates describe the extensive road improvements done, including a heated facility to accommodate the miners. I’m sure the FF plant is capable of running year 'round too.

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When they start producing, probably the 3rd Quarter, they’ll say its not enough. I’m totally not worried with MC at the helm, as he personally has skin in the game and therefore by definition will do the best thing for the company. He’ll liquidate the debt when it’s a good time to do so. Do you really think he would rug us for the sport of it, thereby risking getting torn a new ass in federal district court and stalling the project for 10 years? Please. The man has demonstrated nothing but honesty to date. And the fact that we are even still in this is nothing short of a miracle. And many thanks to Wizard too.

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What does this even mean? The debt holders will liquidate if and when they don’t get paid and will take the assets (collateral) in the process. Maurizio has no control over the debt. Not a problem if they execute and pay the interest/amortization on time. The reason why juniors don’t take debt is because they have to perform in a timely fashion. AUMC is probably still in OK shape even though they are tracking 6 months+ late. But you don’t want any further delays. As soon as obligations aren’t met the debt holders control the outcome.

I think Maurizio is trying his best but as long as shareholders offer praise while their losing their arsss they shouldn’t expect a different outcome.

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The operations guy is very impressive, he has worked with big heavy weights!!!

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Hey anyone know what ever happened to the guy in the truck that broke down coming down the mountain that had delayed us 20 years ago? Or the core samples that sat on the side of the mountain that started all this?? Asking for a friend

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Hi Hulk,

When I saw Robert Mayne-Nicholls’ name as Auryn’s new General Manager it certainly caught my attention. He’s always been known for being somewhat of a “specialist” in MEGA porphyry projects, especially for Antofagasta and the Luksic family. His 3 big projects that I’m aware of are Zaldivar, Los Pelambres, and Collahuasi. These are some of the biggest porphyry mines on the planet. I’m curious to see if there have been some recent advances in Auryn’s copper-moly porphyry prospect (Type 21c) known as the “Pegaso Nero” that might explain this new appointment. Auryn has already had 2 world renowned porphyry specialists on the team, namely Richard Sillitoe and Aquiles Allegria. Several of Auryn’s recent quarterly updates have mentioned that Auryn is broadening out their exploration efforts to more of an ADL Mining District-scale.

For me, the Pegaso Nero copper-moly porphyry prospect has been the one Auryn asset that is long overdue for some type of newsworthy development. At the Auryn “informational meeting” held several years ago in Las Vegas, Maurizio admitted that the Pegaso Nero, as well as the LDM, were way too big for a company like Auryn to tackle by itself. In one of the more recent quarterly updates, in an encrypted fashion, Auryn cited: “To further understand the potential of our site, our team is planning a COMPREHENSIVE EXPLORATION EFFORT (my emphasis). This will involve correlating data with nearby mining districts such as BRONCE PETORCA (to the north) and LA FLORIDA (to the south), specifically targeting regions at 1,550 meters below the Antonino level.”

This elevation would be more in what might be labeled a “porphyry zone” than the current 1,840 meters above sea level where level 3 of the DL2 Mine sits. The 1,840 masl elevation would fit more into an “epithermal zone” elevation category.

Hi also to Mike Gold and CHG,

Wow, what a treat in hearing from the two of you on the same day! Please, both of you, don’t be a stranger any longer. TheMiningPlay desperately needs some input from the SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY because mining is all about the SCIENCE. About a decade ago, I remember doing a series of ADL Mining District hypothecated deposit models with the two of you and Kevin. As you’ll recall, we took all of the geological data available at the time, including the CSAMT hyperspectral satellite imaging report of C.S. Perez, and proposed a SSW to NNE cross-sectional model of the ADL Mining District.

You two have been to enough of these rodeos to realize that it is knowledge of the SCIENCE that allows observers, like TheMiningPlay forum participants, to detect if PROGRESS is being made or not. It’s not always the share price reflected in the market that determines PROGRESS towards a goal. For me, a much better indicator of progress is the caliber of the geoscientists that can be attracted to a deal. They speak the “geogibberish” that few of us can decipher.

Another way of measuring progress involves learning the seemingly never-ending list of tasks needing to be accomplished prior to going into production and checking to see which one have been successfully checked off on.

I sure hope you guys stick around because your engineering backgrounds are invaluable at this pivotal stage of development for the ADL Mining District. You might recall how, several years ago, Kevin flew up to Toronto to attend the PDAC convention and to “meet the new guy” (Maurizio). Kevin contacted me all excited and said doc, you won’t believe how connected Maurizio is. Apparently, he and Maurizio were walking through the hallways of the convention, and Maurizio knew pretty much everybody he encountered, and they all knew him.

A little while later, Auryn put out a press release stating that they had retained none other than London-based Richard Sillitoe, arguably the most prominent “mine finder” in the history of mining. He was commissioned to write a technical report on the prospects for the ADL Mining District. Much to my chagrin, Maurizio has opted to keep that technical report “in-house”, and it is only shared with other geoscientists.

Since Dr. Sillitoe was retained and produced that technical report, a who’s who of prominent geoscientists (both Mining Engineers and “P. Geos”) have contributed to the GIS Database for the ADL Mining District. A “GIS Database” is a computerized format used to collect and store pretty much every bit of data regarding a mineral deposit ever produced. As is the norm for this extremely secretive industry, very few of the “granular” geoscientific facts are shared with shareholders and prospective investors. All we shareholders of Medinah or Auryn with scientific backgrounds notice is that this project sure can attract some very prominent mining professionals from around the world. The question then becomes, what do they know that we shareholders don’t know.

This most recent update, dated 4/4/25, cited yet another household name in the mining industry, that has joined the team acting in the capacity of “General Manager”. Robert Mayne-Nichols joined the Auryn team a couple of weeks ago. For those of you that recognize the name, you probably associate it with the Los Pelambres Mega Mine operated by Antofagasta (the famous Luksic family) and a group of Japanese mining firms including Mitsubishi, Nippon and Marubeni.

You might also recognize RMN’s role at the gigantic Zaldivar Mine owned and operated by Barrick and Antofogasta in a 50/50 JV, or the immense Collahuasi Mine. RMN’s personal specialty is the gigantic porphyry deposits like the 3 WORLD CLASS MINES mentioned above. Professional Geoscientists (“P. GEOs”) tend to have their own subspecialties. One thing that has constantly perplexed me about the ADL Mining District is when are the Pegaso Nero, a copper-moly porphyry prospect, or the LDM, a stratabound gold-copper prospect, going to take center stage.

Hopefully, RMN’s sudden appearance might have something to do with an attempt to finally monetize these assets. The text of the 4/4/25 press release cited a quote from RMN: “I am extremely excited to join AURYN Mining at this pivotal time. The potential of the Fortuna (veins) AND LIPANGUE PROJECTS is impressive, and I look forward to contributing to their successful advancement.”

Note that the “Fortuna” projects refer to the 8 Main Veins found on the plateau. I’m going to assume that “THE LIPANGUE PROJECTS” might refer to the Pegaso Nero and LDM prospects, that are part of the “Alto de Lipangue” Mining District, which are located on the downslopes off of the plateau. It is my belief that the 24 “veins, structures, faults” that Auryn encountered while drifting the “Antonino Adit”, as well as the hundreds of meters of “intense alteration” witnessed within this adit, during this drifting process, was HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE of an underlying porphyry structure that the earlier CSAMT hyperspectral satellite imaging survey performed by C.S. Perez hinted at.

Perez opined that the ADL Mining District hosted 2 porphyry deposits, one a copper-moly porphyry and the other a copper-gold porphyry. He cited the presence of a 7 Km swath composed of “about a dozen intrusives” stretching in a SW to NE direction across the ADL Mining District.

“Vein Sets”, like the 8 Main Veins found at the ADL plateau, tend to “telescope out of” underlying porphyry structures. The porphyry itself is what used to be an active magma chamber and the area immediately above its roof or “carapace”. Further, the molybdenite discovered AT SURFACE during the Auryn ridge crest sampling program completed on the southern downslope off of the plateau, is HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE of an underlying copper-moly porphyry structure (Type 21c) as “moly”, on this planet, is pretty much restricted to porphyry structures.

RMN was also Executive V.P. for Enami, and he played a prominent role in Codelco-the largest copper mining firm on the planet. The question arises as to how Maurizio can keep coming up with these mining “stud muffins” (like RMN, Sillitoe, and Aquiles Allegria) willing to play a role in the development of the ADL Mining District and its transitioning into PRODUCTION. What’s exciting for me is that all of these noteworthy geoscientific professionals, bring with them relationships with a vast variety of mining majors and mid-tier miners.

A couple of years ago, Auryn made a press release citing that they had made 2 new appointments to the Auryn BOD. One of these was Isac Burstein, the Head of Business Development for Hochschild. As you two might know, this guy is thought by many to be the pre-eminent “mining deal cutter” in all of South America. He has designed some 60 mining deals throughout his career, 20 of which were in the last 3 years. He has been the keynote speaker at a variety of mining and banking forums.

For me, one of the shockers of this most recent press release, was the fact that Auryn is going to attack the Fortuna (Vein) project via “Sub-Level Stoping”. Sublevel stoping is a mining method in which ore is blasted from different levels of elevation but is removed from one level at the bottom of the mine. This is how the big boys attack a big project. I was anticipating a more modest type of operation with Auryn mining ore simultaneously from 2 “working faces” of the DL2 Vein, one oriented to the NNW and one to the SSE, at each level of the mine. This new approach suggests to me that they found some decent “width” in the structures being mined.

In a recent press release, Auryn cited the plan to develop the Merlin 1 Vein from 2 different areas (one to the north and one to the south), in order to source ore for the new froth flotation plant. Now, all of a sudden, the Merlin 4 Vein, has become the prime target to develop next. The “exploration crew” must have found something recently that changed the battle plan.

You might remember from a couple of years back, that the plan was to extend the Antonino Adit further to the SSW after it intercepted the DL2 Vein, and the DL2 Vein was put into production. The target was 2 “monster veins” (Auryn’s words) that Auryn discovered at surface that both averaged over 2 meters in width at surface. These were located just to the west of the DL2 Vein and were pretty much parallel to the DL2 Vein.

One of these “monsters” was the “Merlin 4 Vein”, which also has gone by the name of the “Don Leopoldo Vein”. In the early days, this vein was also referred to as the “Fortuna Noroeste Vein” or the “Northwest Fortuna Vein”. For the last 9 years after the exhaustive Auryn trenching program was completed, the area of peak interest was the confluence of the Merlin 3 Vein, the Merlin 4 Vein, and the Fortuna Centro or “DL2 Vein”.

If I’m reading the tea leaves correctly, it appears that the Merlin 4 Vein has finally been intersected via the Antonino Adit. Wait for management to confirm or deny this, but a sub-level stoping program would make a lot of sense in an extremely wide vein. There has to be a reason why the Merlin 1 Vein suddenly got bumped as being the next area for the sourcing of ore for the FF plant and being replaced by the Merlin 4 Vein. Might this explain the desire to bring in some heavy artillery like RMN?

With the upwards move in the price of gold and copper over the last year, and the commissioning of the new froth flotation rapidly approaching, I’m going to guess that Auryn is going to move heaven and earth in order to rapidly ramp up production as well as the daily throughput of the FF plant. The original daily “throughput” for the FF plant that was ordered was 100 tonnes per day. However, in a recent quarterly update, Auryn cited that they later “commissioned the fabrication of more units” for the FF plant. The plan is to have 20,000 tonnes of ore stockpiled and ready to go on the day of the commissioning of the new plant.

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Great for Auryn
Where’s our AUMC shares so us mdmn shareholders can share in the joy?

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Only 3% of 100 participants only held shares in AUMC. Note that this survey was take 5 years ago. The last time that production was imminent and calls for $15 a share were tossed around.

Someone should do a survey on how shares everyone has so the participants have a better idea who has more at stake when they post.

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The leadership team was at ADL today and gave a thorough overview of the civil works.

https://x.com/aurynmining/status/1910361584909562074

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What’s the AISC now with Gold over 3200

Hi Done Deal,

Auryn’s AISC is not going to change much with the recent incremental increases in the price of gold. The “Internal Rate of Return” (IRR) and “Net Present Value” (NPV) of the project will go up nicely, however.

Auryn’s “ALL IN SUSTAINING COST” (AISC) to produce each ounce of gold it produces (in “float concentrate” form) is going to be extremely low in comparison to Auryn’s peers. There are 3 main reasons: 1) Auryn’s “intra adit “head grade” is going to be much higher than the average (4.18 gpt gold) for underground operations mining “narrow veins”. 2) Auryn has its own on-site ore processing facility (a froth flotation plant). This is going to augment the already high “intra adit head grade” of that which Auryn will be “TRANSPORTING” by a factor of in between 2-fold and 20-fold depending on the “recovery rate” and “concentration factor” of the FF plant. 3) Because Auryn will be mining a somewhat homogenous “Vein Set” of 8 Main Veins, they don’t have to incur the steep “Sustaining Capital Expenditures” or “Exploration and Evaluation Costs” that a major miner mining an open pit must incur.

The majors and mid-tier miners that are mining in an “open pit” fashion need to take a big percentage of the annual operating profits and block out, via expensive diamond drilling, an equal amount of ounces of “Mineral Reserves/Mineral Resources” as they mined in that year. This way their “pipeline” of mineable ounces remains constant and their shareholders don’t need to worry about a shrinking “mine life”.

Auryn doesn’t have to do that. Anybody could look at the dimensions and grades of Auryn’s 8 Main Veins and deduct that Auryn is going to be mining those “inter-related” veins for several decades into the future. The work of the artisanal miners at the ADL Mining District as well as Auryn’s own work revealed this. These are very long veins that are still “open” in all directions, and they go deep. The DL2 Vein, for example, outcrops 700-meters below its surface expression. Richard Sillitoe and Rob Cinits of ACA Howe Ltd, both commented that at the DL2 Vein BOTH THE GRADES AND THE VEIN WIDTHS ARE IMPROVING WITH DEPTH.

Auryn is still doing “exploration” as it mines the ore. If they run into an extremely high-grade “ore shoot” within a vein, they will, no doubt, chase that down and mine it post-haste. If the grades at, let’s say, “level 5”, are vastly superior to those at “level 3”, then Auryn can simply focus its mining efforts on “level 5” in the near term. I’ve got Auryn’s “AISC” modeled at around $800 per ounce which is in the bottom (best) 10% of all mining operations. Auryn’s “General and Administrative” costs (a line-item entry within its AISC), are going to be relatively low also.

One thing you can’t forget in calculating AISC is you have to include an estimate for “Off-site ore processing and refining costs” if you’re going to use the current Price of Gold as a benchmark for estimating profits. The spot POG refers to .9999 gold bullion not to an extremely high-grade “float concentrate”.

The good thing about having your own on-site ore processing facility is that a lot of the worthless discards, known as “gangue”, get stored on-site in “Tailings Storage Facilities” or “TSFs”, and these discards never have to be “TRANSPORTED”, SMELTED, or REFINED. This keeps down the “Off-site ore processing costs and Refining Costs”.

I’ve been doing this for 45 years and I’ve never seen a new “Producer” start-up mining operations at a time and cost structure when they can clear well over $2,000 in operating profits per ounce. That’s insane. Being able to do that with only 70 million shares outstanding is equally insane. When management owns 60% of those 70 million shares in a semi-restricted format because of Rule 144, then that’s totally insane. YOUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON POTENTIAL “EARNINGS PER SHARE”.

BELOW IS A BLURB ON “ALL IN SUSTAINING COSTS” WHICH HAVE BEEN THE RULE SINCE 2013

“All-in sustaining costs (AISC) for miners are a comprehensive metric that captures the total cost of producing a metal, including both operating and sustaining capital expenditures. It provides a more accurate picture of the true cost of mining compared to traditional cash cost metrics. AISC helps investors and analysts understand the profitability and competitiveness of mining operations.

What AISC Includes:

Cash Costs: Direct production costs like labor, energy, and consumables.

Sustaining Capital Expenditures: Investments needed to maintain current production levels, such as equipment maintenance and mine development.

Administrative Costs: General and administrative expenses related to running the business.

Exploration and Evaluation Costs: Expenditures for exploration activities necessary to sustain current operations.

Reclamation Costs: Provisions for environmental reclamation and mine closure.

Why AISC is Important:

More Transparent Cost Reporting:

AISC provides a more complete view of the costs involved in mining operations, helping to avoid misleading comparisons based solely on cash costs.

Improved Profitability Analysis:

By understanding the true cost of production, mining companies can identify areas where costs can be reduced and improve their profitability.

Better Investment Decisions:

Investors can use AISC to assess the financial health and future prospects of mining companies.

Benchmarking and Comparison:

AISC allows for comparisons between different mining companies and regions, providing insights into cost competitiveness.

Comparison of All-in Sustaining Costs, Gold Grade, and Gold Prices …”

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As BB suggested, the POG will have no impact on the ASiC. But the honest, genuine response to your question is that it’s impossible to know what their costs will be. Without a feasibility study there is no way to speculate on the size of the resource nor the economics. AUMC will not be valued on “normal” ratios because the key inputs/variables to build a proper model are unknown. I’m sure there will be periods when the costs are very low (mining directly from the vein(s) and following the direction with precision) and periods when they are mining at a loss (searching for the vein, or not mining at all due to weather, etc).

My best guess is that the ASIC will be as low as $1200-$1500 until they mechanize and scale (to bring costs down). The first 6-9 months (commissioning) will helpfully be break even. For those that think my comments are too negative, I’d encourage you to ask someone who has actually lived thru this process.

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Quickly off top of my head

The day I spent in the audience at the 2016 Las Vegas shareholders’ meeting, has continued to pay “dividends” of its own for me.

Watching Wizard and Maurizio do their best (and a most impressive) job of presenting the story and the facts to the rest of us in that large room, and the maybe two minutes of semi-private chitchat I had with Maurizio at the conclusion, sent me home with the belief that this man, and Wizard, too, were supremely confident in the cards they had.

And nothing in the past eight and a half years and counting has changed that for me. Everything Maurizio and his team have done reeks of long-term surety. Nothing can ever be taken for granted (asteroid!), of course. But every move Maurizio has made has struck this particular fool-in-the-market as being absolutely consistent with the premise that everything MDMN, AUMC, CDCH-related (isn’t that one of the ingredients in the whole alphabet soup?) is going to turn out tremendously in the end. Whenever the end reveals itself.

The recent hiring of another world-renowned expert! What world renowned expert walks into a situation they’re not comfortable with?

Me? I’m feeling comfortable.

– madmen

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“Blue sky” down there in Chile, literally - yes, there are reasons to be excited, these guys are doing the impossible!

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Indeed. Looks like they have cleared a plot of land to level dirt, Contrast/compare this picture to the update from May 2024:

This crucial funding will facilitate the construction and operational launch of a 100-ton per day flotation plant, with production set to begin in the first quarter of 2025.

Or September 2024:

We anticipate the plant will be fully operational by May 2025

While it’s tempting to, yet again, pretend that everything this company states is “good as gold” its important to remind one’s self that Maurizio, while a good man, has not hit a target in a decade. While its tempting to speculate that AUMC is going after massive exploration targets as a side hussle, with majors sitting in the wings, its important to remind one’s self that the project is on care and maintenace, not able to spend a dime beyond trying to get a plant built. There will be no discretionary, “fun money” to explore the asset portfolio until our children and grand children are able to benefit from the fruits of this company’s labor.

It’s easy to quip " see you in July" but, in reality, the July in question is most likely 2026 and it will take awhile to generate enough cash flow to skim off enough $$ to initiate a exploration budget. Its a nutso market. Gold will probably break through $5k while there are 100’s of one million plus ounce resources that are trading at $50 an ounce in the ground. I believe this will change over time but these are defined resources trading at a discount. Monetization of the “gold rush” / undefined resource deposits will come a lot later.

Keep a very close eye on the next updates. Its imperative the company provides a detailed timeline of what has been acheived and next steps. I don’t understand the reference to permits needed post building of the plant. The picture shows that a plot has been leveled to begin construction. The project I’m involved with in Peru is at a simlar stage, but fully permitted, and hopes to commission their plant in October/November. The rain season in Peru is a consideration. The winter in Chile at this elevation is a major consideration. Cost overruns, in this environment are commonplace. Hopefully AUMC has factored in adequate contigencies. Hopefully AUMC was able to receive the equipment from China prior to the tariffs. Information is so sparse that nobody knows the answers to these questions.

I do take comfort in Jaded’s assurances that the roads and seasonal/winter challenges will not be an issue. The heated bunk room with Netflix will inevitably be a considerable risk deterrant at 8,000 feet elevation, during the depths of winter.

Meanwhile, some continue to post about AUMC falling into the highest grade, lowest cost producer in history, while the management team takes pictures on a plot of dirt that was already supposed to be in production.

Thank you sir may I have another?

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Robert Mayne-Nicholls
“its important to remind one’s self that the project is on care and maintenace, not able to spend a dime beyond trying to get a plant built. There will be no discretionary, “fun money” to explore the asset portfolio until our children and grand children are able to benefit from the fruits of this company’s labor.”
So why did they hire this Guy and why would he want to be a part of this project when its 5-10 years away before he starts pocketing the coin?

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