Medinah Minerals (MDMN) - 2016 Q4- General Discussion

The posts I made from the October 1 informational meeting in Las Vegas (and over the next few days) had a very positive tone — as I felt it was a very positive meeting, all things considered.

However, before we receive the expected announcement from Medinah tomorrow (November 1), I want to register my personal disappointment regarding the very slender volume of communication we’ve had from Medinah since that meeting.

No matter what (if anything) we are told tomorrow, I will be profoundly disappointed if the pace of communications does not pick up significantly.

Those of us at the Oct 1 informational meeting were assured a minimum of thirty times that, from here on out, everything about Medinah would be “open and transparent.” I did not keep count or run a stopwatch, but at one point I noted that over the course of the past (approximately) sixty seconds, I had heard this phrase repeated four times. “Open and transparent.”

I also lost count of the times we were told that we were now in a “new day at Medinah.”

But to me, this feels exactly like just about every other day of the five years since I’ve been invested here. I do not feel any sense of openness or transparency about whatever has been going on at Medinah during the past month, or this minute. Change of management. Company goes silent. Share price plunges. Groundhog day.

It is of course possible that everything at Medinah might be going great, but it’s just as possible, especially given all the legal uncertainty, that Maglas, after having tied Medinah up as tightly as it legally can, has in fact decided to suspend all the ADL/Merlin/Caren/Pegaso Negro/LDM activities of its 100% owned subsidiary (Auryn) and to focus instead on any of the dozen or so (?) other promising (and less-contentious) properties Maglas owns in the same neighborhood. Might it not be a wise business decision for Maglas to just tell Auryn to sit tight for a couple of years and let the dust settle while Maglas concentrates on making money elsewhere? Do they really need this Les/SEC/crackerjack-Las-Vegas-legal-team headache right now? But how would any of us know what they are thinking? And who would ask these question for us?

I have told our new CEO that I think he might serve himself and this whole investor community by giving us frequent — even daily — updates, just so that we at least know that he and Medinah are alive. In the past, we have been forced to exist on starvation news rations, which have always led us to fear the worst, and in every single instance the worst we could imagine was nothing compared to how bad things actually were. And here we are, with our share price at its lowest in at least the five years since I’ve been here, and with no change in the meager level of communication from the company.

The irony of our director of communication being promoted to CEO is impossible to ignore.

Kevin answered my first email on this subject. I did not receive an answer to my second. I’m sure he has his hands full. I’m pulling for him. He struck me as a very nice guy. So did Gary Goodin. But niceness is totally irrelevant here. What’s relevant is that this abused shareholder base should be kept as informed as possible about what is going on at Medinah, without having to wonder, without having to beg for information.

Medinah (and Auryn and Maglas) clearly know the importance of supplying information to those of us in the shareholder community. All of the Medinah/Auryn/Maglas officers came to the informational meeting with a clear intent to portray themselves as open and transparent and eager to include all of us in as much information as they could possibly supply. They even made sure that something happened (I do not for an instant believe that this was just some coincidence — I think some serious push was made) so that the presenters could announce to those of us at the meeting that “production” had started the very day before. They even specified the number of meters (8) of progress achieved in the relevant adit during that previous day (Friday), and, as I recall, they even announced later during the informational meeting that an additional 8 meters of progress had been achieved on Saturday, the day of the meeting. These specific numbers were great to hear. It made us feel as though we actually knew that at least something was going on on “our” mountain. Those of us in attendance felt sort of included.

This shareholder base has been horribly abused for years now (even decades) — actually, the word abuse is far too polite — we are all probably in some sort of survivors’ shock syndrome, incapable of truly registering the extent of the criminality we have endured. I think anyone who wants to be viewed as looking out for our interests, who actually cares about us, would at least make a show of keeping us in the loop. An open and transparent management that was actually committed to a new day at Medinah would have given us more this month than the few crumbs that have been brushed off the table and fallen to us. Survivors of abuse need a little comfort. Not a cold shoulder. Not We’ll-talk-to-you-once-a-month. IF-you-behave. Go-away. Don’t bug us. We know what we’re doing. The failure to communicate with us raises questions about management’s competency to accomplish the larger, much trickier tasks ahead of us and them. Is our current management up to the job?

At the meeting, the presenters at the front of the room outlined half a dozen or more topics: the Caren; the Merlin; the Pegaso Negro; the LDM; Nuoco; the August confrontation with Les; the complaint to the SEC; the legal team that has been hired. There were more topics, too — these are just off the top of my head. But I haven’t heard a significant word about any of these topics. Has NOTHING noteworthy happened in regards to ANY of those topics during the past month? Are we still in “production” even? The most emotional and direct communication we had (to this board, at least) was Kevin’s complaint that someone had shared one of his emails without permission.

Every person knows the feeling of having been fully acknowledged and communicated with. I’ll bet no one feels that today, re Medinah. A full month after “open and transparent” and “a new day.”

Maybe that will change tomorrow. (Kevin did tell me via email that we were informed at the meeting that there would be once a month updates from Medinah. I must have stepped out to use the bathroom during that part. Or my thoughts must have drifted elsewhere. Because I do not remember that. If I did hear it and did not immediately object, shame on me! But I have no memory of that. Once a month is torture.)

I hope that tomorrow’s once-a-month communication from Medinah blows all of us and me right out of the water. I hope the news is unbearably great. Regardless, I still think it is in the company’s best interest to keep us more fully and more regularly updated.

It’s what you expect of friends.

It’s what you expect of competent leaders.

madmen — Brad Newsham

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So why would you post this negative rant the day before you “expect” an update? Had to get it out there beforehand, just in case they actually come through? I just don’t see the logic in forecasting more doom and gloom “what ifs” at this time.
mdmn’s internal struggles has no direct impact on Auryn’s mining progress as we just own some of it, not the other way around. The masglas medinah shareholders are part of it and they have put people on our BOD to help. But I doubt Auryn would spend all that time and money on research and gearing up active mining to just stop digging.
I know a month seems like an eternity to us, but as you said, our crew, some of whom are working for free and also have day jobs, have a LOT on their plates.

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Great post Madmen…Very accurate, insightful, and to the point. I think we all have gotten used to putting our heads in the sand, “hoping” for the best. That must end. It is now time for this investment to come out of the “dark ages” and resume with regular updates, photos, transparency, and accountability!!! We have certainly earned it…

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Brad,
Give it a rest, we are all on pin’s and needles wondering whether we are looking at a sanctuary or a hell of a fight. I can tell you that every ask from council take’s at least 15 day’s, the simplest verbiage would be at least 30 days to answer and a few to compute the meanings… We all have an interest, we all want a positive outcome but constant ramblings are not helping me or you.
We have positive people in the right places for once… Would you please let them gather the information necessary to conduct a proper investigation and let them deliver an appropriate response!!!

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I believe that Kevin will provide transparency as much as possible. I do not, nor should anyone else expect individual updates. That’s contrary to the first statement. Right now I’m more focused on hearing what the mountain has to say about where we go. That’s what brought and kept most of us here.

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I did not attend the meeting but I was told by someone who did that AMC stated their intention to provide monthly updates or additional updates as necessary. No specific date or schedule other than that was given. Posts on Social media would be made when appropriate.

Imo Medinah will inform shareholders of significant news as it happens. I.e. The October 27th update in regards to Chapin’s shares. These matters take time as GC Capital pointed out.

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I think we are only in the “morning” of our “new day”. I am thankful that the LP shenanigans are finally out in the open to be dealt with. We have (hopefully) a shareholder advocate on the board, we know Wiz will have constraints but let’s give him the time to get up to speed. My personal thanks to him.
Maybe Auryn are withholding info for a reason but I don’t want to excuse them yet.
I am well under water (no pun intended) but am not emotionally involved with this investment, I do understand shareholder anger/frustration/disappointments but the BS, double talk and red herrings of the last ?? years should be behind us.
I guess one has to decide if we are in a better position overall today than we were for the past few years. I feel we are. Sure we have a lot of s**#! to shovel but it doesn’t seem to stink as much.

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Madmen,

I understand you’re frustrated…everyone is. But please, Kevin has been President & CEO for all but 14 days. He is essentially working two full time jobs - one of which he’s not getting paid for. He (rather Medinah) will release news as reports from ADL become available from Auryn. He is not going to make up news just to mollify anxious investors. That was Les’ specialty. Is that what you want?

Medinah is merely a holding company of a private mining company. Mining company developments are slow. Many shareholders have been spoiled and ruined by expectations set forth by Les Price over the years. Learn from this lesson.

Auryn (and Medinah) will under-promise and (ideally) over-deliver. So do not expect the news to be blockbuster. You will only be disappointed every time. Auryn has provided guidance for the year so hopefully news will be in line with that guidance.

Let Kevin do his job and let Auryn do theirs. No amount of whining on the boards is going to make the news come out faster. Auryn is not holding onto news to torture you or any other shareholder. I assure you Kevin wants to release news ASAP, but if there is no news to release, then there is no news to release. He has provided guidance that an update will come out monthly. Give him and Auryn time to do so. And don’t be upset if it doesn’t come out every 30 days. I assure you that nobody knows the plight of shareholder communication with MDMN better than Kevin. For chrissakes he set up a separate Auryn blog on his own with regular postings to help carry the message to shareholders about developments of ADL, Auryn and Medinah when the old regime was in silent mode. He’s the one who took the initiative to meet Maurizio and establish a relationship with him. Did anyone else? No. Most of us sat on our @sses and bitched and moaned on the boards. Kevin is the one who through his own initiative assumed the role as an uncompensated Communication Director and now he is President/CEO. And he stepped into one ugly, ugly mess. A lot uglier than he or any other shareholder expected - a veritable sh*tstorm. We don’t know the half of it. And did I mention he’s not getting paid for it? AND he’s not able to liquidate his significant position now that he’s an insider. How’s that for a kicker? Kevin has a lot more invested in this company both in time and money than all but a very small handful of shareholders. I, for one, am giving Kevin the opportunity and time to turn this thing around and succeed. He is well aware of everything you complained about it. He was one of us only a few short months ago. Now that he’s in a position to do something about everything that has been wrong with Medinah, he deserves our support and patience.

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Well said, HR. Unfortunately some people never learn.

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I’m glad I restrained myself from writing that post I began and deleted yesterday and left it for you to handle! LOL

I will say, again, that people need to step back and look at the big picture here and see that we’re in a totally different place now. We’re a holding company which is involved in a start-up mining company. Mining is slow… get used to it. Thirty days is nothing. It’s very unreasonable to be watching this investment and expecting significant updates within thirty day time frames. Personally, I’m now viewing all things Medinah from the perspective of quarters and years. There’s just not much to see here now and there isn’t going to be a lot for quite some time. I’ve already adjusted myself to this. The share price right now is meaningless so I don’t dwell on it. It’ll go up when the LP crap gets resolved and we begin receiving revenues from production. It’s that simple. Love it or leave it. Nothing more that I can see to do.

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I do not agree that there will be nothing for s while. Auryn is in production as of Sept 30th 2016
We should be hearing results of that production which should be significant.
Again, I heard quite possible for Auryn being profitable by EOY
Does that mean mdmn gets money from profits right away? Probably not for distribution until share issue is settled but would be nice to see mdmn’s 27 percent covering all debt and accumulating to be put into a holding account.
At least we could show revenue.
IMO, when distributions start, this price will react sharply upwards

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Does anyone know how many days Medinah has to respond to Lesters suit?

It depends on where MDMN was served, see page 2

Lester v mdmn.pdf (342.1 KB)

Thank you mdmnholder.

The suit lists MDMN address in Nevada, so in the USA = 35 days from 10/18

Anyone can follow the suit by going to the BC Supreme Court website. They do $6 to find the case and $6/document.

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I think our 3 million share seller has decided he doesn’t want to wait and just dumped BID .0061 ASK .007 current with 990000 at the ASK

Just disgusting!! But lets give them time it’s ok. As we sit here getting our asses handed to us and no end in site.

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Would love to get the blue sheets from Finra for the last week or so of trading, would be interesting to see who is selling.

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