Medinah Minerals (MDMN) - 2017 Q3 General Discussion

Looking on Auryn’s website, the last update we got on the mine was back in January when Freeport was doing their onsite evaluation of the property. There is been no news related to the mine since that time.

However, Google Earth images confirm that mine work continues. The first image is from February 22 and second image is from April 25. Lots of differences with a clear image of a front end loader in operation in the second image along with a pickup truck and the white box might be the explosives shed. Did Freeport put a gag order on Auryn?

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If Les is out of shares, who possibly could be selling at this price? Times are tough but they “aint” that tough.

The question is Why someone is selling at this price.

end of the month bill time. Not much on the ASK tho Volume pretty low

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I know that it is heresy to say this here, but it is to Auryn’s advantage to keep our sp low if there is to be an exchange of shares before the IPO. Now, everyone can start screaming at me.

Kevin, thank you for all of your hard work and honorable duty to all of us. It is much appreciated.

Without giving your statement to much thought, my first reaction is that any exchange of shares is based on the number of shares and has little or nothing to do with the price of shares. If I’m wrong I’m sure someone can correct me. :sweat_smile:

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Nice to see some BID support and some buying at the ASK

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Lnd1,
Not heresy, it’s just that it’s been explained many times before since Auryn’s takeover of the ADL from MDMN. Rather than re-explaining, I’ll simply ask you why you believe it is in Auryn’s best interest to keep MDMN shareprice down? And I’ll follow that question up with this one…if it is truly in Auryn’s best interest to keep the MDMN share price down, then as 26% owners of Auryn, don’t MDMN shareholders also benefit from anything that Auryn does in its best interests?

MDMN’s share price has no bearing on MDMN’s 26% ownership. That remains a constant aside from it being used as currency to settle any outstanding debt. The only thing that matters to MDMN shareholders is the number of OS MDMN has and the % ownership in Auryn. MDMN shareholders will get the same prorata shares in Auryn regardless if MDMN’s shareprice is .005, .05 or 5.00. The MDMM share price ONLY affects those who are buying or selling prior to the anticipated merger.

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Hey Rick,
Anyone that’s had a position here for any length of time is aware we’d be long gone by now if not for Kevin’s involvement. Kevin is well deserving of the many thanks from shareholders he has received here on this board. I just wanted to also extend my thanks to you personally for all your Herculean efforts in moderating and responding appropriately to the many misguided souls who don’t have a clue over on the iHub “information” forum. Your civility, patience, and depth of understanding is unmatched.
Come to think of it, a big thank you and debt of gratitude to all the moderators here, also, for keeping this forum up and running during some very tumultuous times for all of us invested in Medinah and Cerro.

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Thank you EZ, I’d call it a labor of love, but that would be a lie…LOL!

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Kevin has been a fantastic advocate for our fellow shareholders and I’m sure that one day he will release the name of the other person who also assisted in preventing total destruction of our stock!

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The difference between Kevin and the others is, that he has paid for his stocks, So he wants his stocks to worth something, that’s why he does everything he can to make this work for him and for us.

Garry Goodin found the cheating that Les was doing with the company. If he didn’t find the share discrepency when he did MDMN might have been destroyed before Kevin could accomplish all that he did.

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I was recently asked the following from a member and asked if I could provide my opinion, so I am!

Can Les Price now be charged with a crime(s) in a court of law for his illegal actions now that this civil matter has been resolved? If he can be charges criminally, what is the likelihood of such charges? What could be done that would facilitate the court system to charge LP if they were otherwise reluctant to do so?

Civil and criminal matters run independently from from each other, but they often do have connections to each other. It would be like two different train companies running on different tracks, but sharing stations. For example, a party in a civil case can use a plea in a criminal case as an admission by the other party to an act. Criminal cases have a a higher burden of proof than civil cases. In criminal cases, the govt must prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” the defendant committed the alleged crime and if so, then a conviction occurs. In effect you a talking about a 90%+ proof of guilt. In a civil case, you have a lower burden of proof of “preponderance of the evidence.” In effect you are talking about 51% proof of liability. Therefore, a finding of criminal guilt can be used in a civil case as proof the act occurred without having to prove it a second time; however, you can’t use a finding of civil liability in a criminal case as it has a lower standard of proof. These concepts occurred in the OJ criminal and civil cases. The jury found OJ not guilty in the criminal case (under 90%+), but found him liable in the civil case (greater than 51%).

Further, any settlement of the Okanadian civil case will definitely contain statements the settlement occurred without the admission of liability by MDMN. One always includes this clause in a settlement as the defendant (ie: MDMN), does no want to make an admission which another third party could use against them. Also, at this time, we don’t know if the settlement includes Price. Often when you have multiple defendants, the plaintiff and one or more of the defendants can settle a case for a lesser sum and then the settling defendant would still testify against other defendants. IMO, MDMN probably has this type of settlement with Okanadian. Based upon the info we do have, Price stole from MDMN as well as from Okanadian in the same transaction. IMO, it would benefit MDMN to settle with Okanadian to limit its financial exposure and remove the liability issue, and MDMN and Okanadian both have plenty of incentive to nail Price with a large civil judgment based upon fraud (non-dischargeable in any bankruptcy proceedings).

Prosecutors, especially at the Federal level (whether US or Canadian) don’t like to bring cases which they might lose. These high level prosecutors often position themselves for further careers in private practice and of govt and being the prosecutor who lost a case against the “big fish” or regularly losses cases does not help one’s career advancement. We can see this occurring through the number of plea agreements given to lower level criminals in a big mob case for example. They need to make sure they lock down the testimony and evidence against the big fish by letting the little fish off the hook. So, in our case, the prosecutor would need to feel he/she has a “slam-dunk” before they would bring charges against Price. Especially because, IMO, we are not talking about a large fraud case and us (as victims) were penny stock investors, not elderly grandmothers (we are not media-worthy).

Because the criminal and civil courts run on two separate tracks and the criminal case has a higher burden of proof for guilt, IMO the settlement of Okanadian civil litigation and, the BC cases (hopefully soon), would have little effect what-so-ever as to whether a govt entity brings a criminal case against Price. IMO MDMN will definitely, if they have not done so already, tender the documents and other evidence they have disclosed to the appropriate govt authorities and maybe the govt authorities have not completed their review or are waiting for more info before they make a decision; however, the govt cannot use anything in a settlement agreement against Price (if he is a party to the Okanadian settlement or when/if he settles the BC cases) as the settlement agreement would definitely contain the clauses where Price admits no liability. If the cases all settle, which IMO seems more likely than not, nothing in any of the civil cases would help sway the decision of the govt to bring charges. The prosecutor would only have the documents or other evidence MDMN has given them or they would secure through their own investigation, subpoena. The govt would still have to prove its case on its own.

I was involved in a similar situation with a client where she partnered with another person to operate a tax business and the other parties’ insurance business together. The insurance business stole from the tax business and from its customers (of which my client and her business were one the affected parties) through commingling insurance premium payments with general funds and not issue policies, but stealing the premiums. Even though we had written proof through bank statements and even an admission the other party on the stand, neither the state nor the feds brought any criminal actions against the guy. The FBI even came out to review our evidence (took copies) and interviewed my client. Subsequently we secured a $435k judgment against the other party for breach of contract, fraud, forgery. My client still hasn’t seen a dime as its been appealed three times (we have won all three) and he keeps transferring assets to duck collection efforts.

To circle back around due to all of the above, IMO, if MDMN has tendered everything it has to the govt and the govt has not brought any criminal charges against Price, the govt will most likely not do so now unless some new “smoking gun” evidence comes to light. I hope, and will gladly admit to a bad prediction if the govt does bring charges; but, I wouldn’t hold my breath to see if it happens. At this point, IMO, we need to all remove our focus from punishing Price (even though he deserves every bit of it and any other bad thing which could happen to him) and keep it upon MDMN and Auryn’s efforts to clean up MDMN, make the mountain saleable, going public, and completing a merger/buyout with a mid-major or major. IMO, MDMN has removed the bad actors and these persons would not benefit from MDMN and Auryn’s efforts going forward.

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If Les is in fact having heart problems then he is already experiencing the fruits of his actions and, as insensitive as some may judge this to be, it serves him right. I feel not an atom of sympathy for him. We reap what we sow.

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Yes!
Great!

No pity for him!!

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I can’t wait until all this crap is over and we can concentrate on mining and the value of our Auryn shares. Like a real investment.

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so true, after this many years one can hope we might see the mountain produce!

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